Getting Creepy With Jj

[DonkSlayer 1]

$2/4 Limit FT Bodog. No reads.Hero is UTG with Hero raises, MP calls, sb folds, BB calls.Flop :card_clubs_2:BB bets. Hero raises. MP folds. BB calls.Turn BB bets. Hero calls.River :card_spades_10:BB bets. Hero calls.Meh? I called pretty quickly but I think this is really close when he leads the river.

[antistuff 0]

looks fine to me.

[BuffDan 0]

Meh? I called pretty quickly but I think this is really close when he leads the river.

By calling the turn, I think you are commiting yourself to calling most rivers, and as this one didn't complete any draws or put any overcards to your pair, you gotta call. I think the more difficult decision is the turn, though I play it the same as you.

[TB17 0]

I dont get the meh.

[Al Smooth 0]

Best piece of advice I've gotten in a long time..."Play JJ like you'd play a suited Connectors"I've been a lot more profitable since then

[iggymcfly 0]

So I should start open-folding JJ in almost every position? Seriously, that sounds like NL advice that has little to no relevance for a limit game.

[beans422 0]

On real loose tables, sometimes I limp utg with JJ and get away from them if overcards come or there's too much action on flop. If raised preflop, I'd play it the same. I may raise the turn and check the river against real tricky opponents.

[Zach6668 513]

On real loose tables, sometimes I limp utg with JJ and get away from them if overcards come or there's too much action on flop. If raised preflop, I'd play it the same. I may raise the turn and check the river against real tricky opponents.

No. Please raise with JJ utg. It's a value raise. Whether you lose 2 sb's in one particular hand or not is irrelevant. You can check/fold a flop of AK9 if you have 9 callers. You still have an equity edge, and need to raise.

[TheCinciKid 0]

No. Please raise with JJ utg. It's a value raise. Whether you lose 2 sb's in one particular hand or not is irrelevant. You can check/fold a flop of AK9 if you have 9 callers. You still have an equity edge, and need to raise.

QFT....I was about to say the same thing when I saw this. If only Smash were here to post something witty about how horrible limping with JJ is.

[antistuff 0]

I may raise the turn and check the river against real tricky opponents.

this line had occured to me when i saw this hand, but i dont like it here.

[DonkSlayer 1]

this line had occured to me when i saw this hand, but i dont like it here.

I think if we raise the turn and get bet into on the river, we really have to think about folding.So the river lead didn't have anyone guessing? As I said earlier I almost insta-called, but felt like I had gotten lucky afterwards. If I've seen an opponent play very well up to this point, is it a fold?

[CoranMoran 0]

So the river lead didn't have anyone guessing? As I said earlier I almost insta-called, but felt like I had gotten lucky afterwards. If I've seen an opponent play very well up to this point, is it a fold?

After he led the turn, you should have been expecting him to lead the river.Only call the turn if you intend on calling the next street.That is where your only decision is.I call down as you did.--cm

[antistuff 0]

I think if we raise the turn and get bet into on the river, we really have to think about folding.So the river lead didn't have anyone guessing? As I said earlier I almost insta-called, but felt like I had gotten lucky afterwards. If I've seen an opponent play very well up to this point, is it a fold?

get the idea of folding in spots like this out of your head.

[Knight_Owl 0]

it seems like it was played out weirdly by the villian who after getting raised on flop, decided to donk off the turn. hmmm..Its read dependent yet if I dont have a read and I decide to call down I would just simply raise the turn. (going to give out 2 bets either way?!))I just see more benefits in raising vs. calling.jst my 2 cents ;)btw what does "meh" stand for?!

[antistuff 0]

it seems like it was played out weirdly by the villian who after getting raised on flop, decided to donk off the turn. hmmm..Its read dependent yet if I dont have a read and I decide to call down I would just simply raise the turn. (going to give out 2 bets either way?!))I just see more benefits in raising vs. calling.jst my 2 cents ;)btw what does "meh" stand for?!

why? hes either got you beat or being silly. he aint really semibluffing you here. let him hang himself no?meh is like eh but with a little more apathy.

[Knight_Owl 0]

why? hes either got you beat or being silly. he aint really semibluffing you here. let him hang himself no?meh is like eh but with a little more apathy.

"let him hang himself" were just playing a guessing game. For the most part most players either have a flush draw since the turn made it 2 clubs on the board. Or either tp and doesn't want it to go check/check. If he has a club draw, the raise cost the villian more to see river. I just see it as well if your going to throw in 2 bets to call down, might as well make it on the turn.

[DonkSlayer 1]

"let him hang himself" were just playing a guessing game. For the most part most players either have a flush draw since the turn made it 2 clubs on the board. Or either tp and doesn't want it to go check/check. If he has a club draw, the raise cost the villian more to see river. I just see it as well if your going to throw in 2 bets to call down, might as well make it on the turn.

Yeah but, if we do this and he calls, and then donkbets the river with something that beat us, we've lost an extra BB.

[Knight_Owl 0]

Yeah but, if we do this and he calls, and then donkbets the river with something that beat us, we've lost an extra BB.

how is hero going to lose an extra BB. If Villian donkbets river. Then I'll give villian credit to able to do that given the action.And about the extra BB. How woudl he earn it? Were folding here. C'mon now! (unless hero is some hardcore calling station, then yes lets donate another BB)

[mrdannyg 274]

this line had occured to me when i saw this hand, but i dont like it here.

i actually like it in this situation. i prefer to use that line in situations where we may or may not be behind, but can improve on the river. i actually like that line in this spot. i guess there's a chance we fold a Q, though unlikely. we can always check behind a non-club on the river, or possibly even a club, depending on opponent's range with 4 clubs on board.i feel like we don't always get lead into on the river if we improve past him, so we always lose 2 when behind, but don't always win 2 when ahead unless we raise the turn.

[akishore 0]

River is an absolutely no fold.The close decision is on the turn, whether you should raise the donkbet (folding to a three-bet, but if he calls, still CALLING THIS RIVER), or just call down.It boils down to a player read, and if none is there, table texture. There are definitely players that donk bet only when they improve, so the flop meant hitting a pair and the turn meant hitting two pair. On the other hand, there are definitely players that have this subconscious obsession with "must... put... money... in... with... one... pair... every... street..." so they bet/call repeatedly.Absent a read, I call down because the flop donk bet AND the turn donk bet in my experience usually mean a flopped two pair, and I don't want to be three-bet and forced to fold if I actually have more than two outs against a two pair (as opposed to just two outs against a queen or a set, for which I don't have the odds to call a three-bet).So in other words, you played it fine absent a read.Aseem