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#21 BigEasy6

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:10 AM

Anybody remember this? $400k buy-in

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:44 AM

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i think they capped the number of entries at 6600, although there is a pretty good chance they would get near 10,000 without a limit
I have posted this in other threads as well. During the early days of the WSOP when I was playing this year the dealers were telling us that they had already had meetings where they were asked to stay longer and that the limit would probably be raised to 10K or more and that there would be more "first days" essentially extending the event out.With 10K ppl, that would make for 5 first days and 2 second days then they would get everyone playing on the same day.
In response to this rumor on RGP (posted by FellKnight, who also heard it from dealers) tournament director John Grooms posted and said it was just a rumor, and that cap of 6600 had not been lifted. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen though; I'd think it's a decision they will make when they reach the 6600 mark. Patrick

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:45 AM

I am not advocating that the WSOP be played by all "Pros" I am simply suggesting a way in which to limit the field to those whose skills are at least at a certain "minimum level". Even in baseball, only major league teams are allowed to compete to play in the World Series. If the numbers are kept to say about 800 players of which 100-150 are "Pros" and about 650-700 fairly skilled-to very skilled players the Tourney would beA) very competitive and played at an extremely high levelB) involve more skill than luck (You need a lot more luck under the current format to win the title).

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:53 AM

because $500k buy-in is a jerk0ff statement. Semajoss55 or whatever it is, I have made at least 4 productive, insightful posts. You just missed them. I'll go for number five right now.$500k wouldn't make it available to everyone and in order for it to be a true world series, anyone should be able to play. This tournament actually would have to considered the purest form of competition. Anyone with 10k can play and win. Just like the U.S Open in golf, anyone can qualify and go play the best, you just have to bring your A game.It is open to anyone in the world, thus making it A true world series.jerk0ffs

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:59 AM

I think it's going to take some time for poker and its growing pains before a more solid format is found. There will be a change because I think pro players are not going to want to play if it stays the same. Imagine if all the Pistons and Spurs players had to put up $10k to be on tv. On top of that, sponsorship money for pro players is hampered by the no logo rules. With each event's top prize being less than the buy in for Daniel's Challenge matches, motivation for top players is probably not money.Right now, the real big winners are the networks that carry poker on tv. Advertising dollars are rolling in, and they're not really trickling down to anyone else. I suspect if poker's popularity continues to grow as it is (and I think it will), professional poker will be formatted more like pro golf or pro tennis. Some sort of qualifier rounds or bracket system I think.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:59 AM

Lol... haha.$500k buy-in now THAT is "ridiculous". Just because they are pro's doesn't mean they have an extra half a million to throw down on a tournament lol.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:10 AM

Is anyone else getting tired of this post. Haven't we seen this ten thousand freaking times. Why does a big buyin make the WSOP Champion more impressive? The fact that you have excluded it to only ten or twenty players means that they are the best in the world. I think that the buyin is perfectly fine. I don't think that it will change anytime soon, and there is one simple reason, MONEY. See once Harrah's raises the buyin less people will show up, they make less money = less profits. Don't believe me, oh you say bigger buyin = bigger vig. Well that is true, but all you have to do is look at the WPT Championship $25,000 to relaize that only 452 players showed up. So tell me how exactly are you going to increase the vig enough to allow 452 players to pay more than 6600 players. Raising the buyin is a dumb idea from a players point of view, and from the casinos point of view. This isn't "The Exclusive World Series Of Poker - god forbid if Daniel Negreanu Doesn't Win". Can we stop having this post please.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:11 AM

Told ya Marc-Ojerk0ff

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:21 AM

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On top of that, sponsorship money for pro players is hampered by the no logo rules.
Facts only please. We are talking about the WSOP, not the WPT. Logos are allowed, and that is one of the other reasons that 6600 people are showing up, rather than the huge draw that the WPT Championship received 452. Again I really don't think that Harrah's, ESPN, or anyone else involved with the thing gives a crap if Daniel Negreanu, Phil Ivey, etc. show up. Do you really think it matters to ESPN one bit. Most of the people who watch Poker on TV probably don't even play, they would rather see Joe Blow come in and win 10 million. Why, because they relate to him. They don't relate at all to Phil Ivey, but they do relate to the accountant who took a couple weeks off to come to Vegas.Are we done with this, or will we have this thread again in a few more weeks.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:28 AM

Ron_Mexico said:

because $500k buy-in is a jerk0ff statement. Semajoss55 or whatever it is, I have made at least 4 productive, insightful posts. You just missed them. I'll go for number five right now.$500k wouldn't make it available to everyone and in order for it to be a true world series, anyone should be able to play. This tournament actually would have to considered the purest form of competition. Anyone with 10k can play and win. Just like the U.S Open in golf, anyone can qualify and go play the best, you just have to bring your A game.It is open to anyone in the world, thus making it A true world series.jerk0ffs
LOL, the guy as 263 posts and he is all proud of is 4 , productives ,insightful posts . man you suck......LOL

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:32 AM

F off newbie d0uche. Your post count is 5 and that last one was no winner let me tell ya.By the way, look up the word sarcasm you moronic as$bag. Lots of love, welcome to the forum. Please give us a bad beat story about how your Ace Duece offsuit couldn't bead pocket kings. I mean, you did have three outs. Eat me.Love, Ron

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:34 AM

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because $500k buy-in is a jerk0ff statement. Semajoss55 or whatever it is, I have made at least 4 productive, insightful posts. You just missed them. I'll go for number five right now.$500k wouldn't make it available to everyone and in order for it to be a true world series, anyone should be able to play. This tournament actually would have to considered the purest form of competition. Anyone with 10k can play and win. Just like the U.S Open in golf, anyone can qualify and go play the best, you just have to bring your A game.It is open to anyone in the world, thus making it A true world series.jerk0ffs
LOL, the guy as 263 posts and he is all proud of is 4 , productives ,insightful posts . man you suck......LOL
well you have 5 posts. and your still 0 for 5 out for productive posts.i dont see how u can judge when Ron clearly has a great following argument on this topic

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:47 AM

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Socrates said:

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i think they capped the number of entries at 6600, although there is a pretty good chance they would get near 10,000 without a limit
I have posted this in other threads as well. During the early days of the WSOP when I was playing this year the dealers were telling us that they had already had meetings where they were asked to stay longer and that the limit would probably be raised to 10K or more and that there would be more "first days" essentially extending the event out.With 10K ppl, that would make for 5 first days and 2 second days then they would get everyone playing on the same day.
In response to this rumor on RGP (posted by FellKnight, who also heard it from dealers) tournament director John Grooms posted and said it was just a rumor, and that cap of 6600 had not been lifted. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen though; I'd think it's a decision they will make when they reach the 6600 mark. Patrick
If its a rumor, its one that all the dealers had the same story on. I heard it from 3 different dealers while playing in EVENT #2 and heard it several more times over the next week from them in cash games.The reason I don't doubt this is based on the fact that they gladly took alternates when the event was supposed to be capped and told them at least 100 of them would get in, they did that. This is also the same tournament director who, right before the $5K event started said "You know, we should have 90 minute rounds instead of the 60 minute rounds we advertised, Okay, 90 minutes it is" - the rules seem to be completely out the window this year.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:52 AM

There has become a "celebrity" mentality around poker lately where we think that if we're not watching the guys with the big names, then we can't be watching the best players in the world. But the fact is, with poker's popularity going absolutely crazy right now, we're going to see a lot of turn over in who "the best" is/are. A guy told me once that he read that the man who SHOULD be the best cyclist in the world is probably a couch potato who hasn't been on a bike in five or ten years. He doesn't know that he has the potential for being a great cyclist. The same was true for poker. Guys who could be great players had never tried playing until maybe they started seeing it on television all the time.I know we all want to see names that we recognize because it's great to know something about the guys who are playing. But the truth is that whatever nine guys come out of that HUGE field are going to be excellent poker players. A bad player can knock out a lot of great players with sheer luck, but no one's going to beat that many people without being an excellent poker player. As for the person who suggested the WSOP entries be based on skill, I don't agree because I like fact that anyone can play. I wouldn't mind seeing the buy-in raised though, but not to 500K. Anyway, I believe Daniel Negreanu had been involved in a project that was a sort of professional poker tour that had a limited number of members and players would have to keep their play at a certain level to keep their seats. Kind of like a league, or the PGA.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 09:34 AM

Ron_Mexico said:

because $500k buy-in is a jerk0ff statement. Semajoss55 or whatever it is, I have made at least 4 productive, insightful posts. You just missed them. I'll go for number five right now.$500k wouldn't make it available to everyone and in order for it to be a true world series, anyone should be able to play. This tournament actually would have to considered the purest form of competition. Anyone with 10k can play and win. Just like the U.S Open in golf, anyone can qualify and go play the best, you just have to bring your A game.It is open to anyone in the world, thus making it A true world series.jerk0ffs
lol........ anyone can qualify and win the U.S Open ???????you are truly now the arrogant jerkoff.....LMAO

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 09:40 AM

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Ron_Mexico said:

because $500k buy-in is a jerk0ff statement. Semajoss55 or whatever it is, I have made at least 4 productive, insightful posts. You just missed them. I'll go for number five right now.$500k wouldn't make it available to everyone and in order for it to be a true world series, anyone should be able to play. This tournament actually would have to considered the purest form of competition. Anyone with 10k can play and win. Just like the U.S Open in golf, anyone can qualify and go play the best, you just have to bring your A game.It is open to anyone in the world, thus making it A true world series.jerk0ffs
lol........ anyone can qualify and win the U.S Open ???????you are truly now the arrogant jerkoff.....LMAO
Well, not anyone, but if your handicap is below a 1.4, then you are welcome to try and win a local/regional qualifier. You have to be good enough to have that low of an index, but you don't have to be a member of the PGA or anything.Patrick

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 09:45 AM

PMJackson21 said:

Marc-O said:

Ron_Mexico said:

because $500k buy-in is a jerk0ff statement. Semajoss55 or whatever it is, I have made at least 4 productive, insightful posts. You just missed them. I'll go for number five right now.$500k wouldn't make it available to everyone and in order for it to be a true world series, anyone should be able to play. This tournament actually would have to considered the purest form of competition. Anyone with 10k can play and win. Just like the U.S Open in golf, anyone can qualify and go play the best, you just have to bring your A game.It is open to anyone in the world, thus making it A true world series.jerk0ffs
lol........ anyone can qualify and win the U.S Open ???????you are truly now the arrogant jerkoff.....LMAO
Well, not anyone, but if your handicap is below a 1.4, then you are welcome to try and win a local/regional qualifier. You have to be good enough to have that low of an index, but you don't have to be a member of the PGA or anything.Patrick
patrick is bang on. I'm not sure the exact index rating (which you could B.S. anyways)but they allow for a certain amount of amateur spots, people with the money and the talent to play. can play

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 10:06 AM

Well as much as I love Ron the golf thing kind of negates his point... there is a skill requirement to get into the golf thing...The WSOP is a true open, no skill required, although 10k is required or a satelite win...One thing that's overlooked about the common solution of raising the buy in is that there will always be steps or satelite tourneys online to qualifier for free or a dollar...no matter what the buy in right now, the pokersites would come up with promos to get people trying to win their way in... so the numbers would still be huge.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 10:21 AM

Gadjet, my Canadian gumba, poker doesn't involve some skill?

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 10:23 AM

I may be a jerk0ff, but I am outraged that you called me arrogant. Eat me raw, balls and all, don't stop there, take it to the hair.




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