mrdannyg 274 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Trump won't win...not even close. He'll get a lot of idiots voting for him, but he won't get any of the minority idiot votes. BTW, he's gone Nazi now. No no no, he's just suggesting that everyone of a certain group who are being blamed for systematic, widespread and unrelated problems should wear be required to carry self-identification of that characteristic at all times, consent to being listed in a centralized database and be disallowed from public worship. Can't see how anyone could confuse that with Germany in the mid-30's. That's basically the best criticism anyone has been able to come up with for Sanders... "He looks weird", "he looks crazy", etc. Should speak volumes about his actual politics. That's because his policies and politics have almost no reference or similarities to what the country currently looks like. It'd be like if you asked me to come up with criticisms of why a Porsche is not the best kind of vegetable. There's just no frame of reference or comparative vocabulary. I'm not saying that as a criticism of Sanders in and of itself, but it is why the actual criticisms of him are not more nuanced. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Sanders is a self admitted socialist. That's the main reason I wouldn't want him President. Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Sanders is a self admitted socialist. That's the main reason I wouldn't want him President. And a reason I would want him to be President Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 That's why we live in a democracy. We are free to choose and vote for who we believe in. I respect everyone's views on politics even if I don't agree with them Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 The way I've always looked at it it really comes down to each persons personal financial situation. As a working middle class struggling to survive, a R president would ruin me. I get no benefit from their conservative policies. They would make our life harder and I don't need that. I vote for the party that will put more $ in my pocket. I've always been in the middle class. The struggle is real during R presidencies as compared to D presidencies. The issue now is not working for the past 3.5 years but if it was Romney instead of Obama ( who I dislike) we would probably be on the street. a "socialist" would benefit my family more as I'll never be in the top 1 %. Or top 20. Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Oh and yes I respect people's opinions/leanings as long as they don't get hostile or childish about it. My in laws are diehard FOX Repulbicans. They feel the need to argue instead of talk politics. So I just never see them. It's easier that way. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 You can feel a real noticeable difference in your net income with a Republican government? Like, how much are we talking here? And I disagree with the financial thing. I think part of the Liberal (or more accurately, probably, socialist) ideology is that individual wealth isn't the almighty and that we should share some portion to build social programs etc. I'm sure there are billionaire liberals who don't vote according to what their bottom line would be. Regardless of my monetary situation, I could never see myself voting for current day conservatives or republicans because I find their social policies to be reprehensible. I don't think that'll change over time. Am I naive? I don't know. Maybe. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I kind of feel the same Zach, though I think the Canadian right would still fall left of center on the American political scale. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,311 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I kind of feel the same Zach, though I think the Canadian right would still fall left of center on the American political scale. Like you said we can't compare the right and left in the US and Canada. Bernie Sanders is on the far left in the US and in Canada he would be on the right wing side of the NDP. There is no comparison in Canada to the current insanity that is much of the US Republican Party. Take away the joke candidates and the mainstream of the Republican Party is way way way way to the right of the most right wing elements of the Conservative Party in Canada. Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 You can feel a real noticeable difference in your net income with a Republican government? Like, how much are we talking here? And I disagree with the financial thing. I think part of the Liberal (or more accurately, probably, socialist) ideology is that individual wealth isn't the almighty and that we should share some portion to build social programs etc. I'm sure there are billionaire liberals who don't vote according to what their bottom line would be. Regardless of my monetary situation, I could never see myself voting for current day conservatives or republicans because I find their social policies to be reprehensible. I don't think that'll change over time. Am I naive? I don't know. Maybe. Yes. Republican policies destroy the middle class and create poverty. It was republican policies that forced us out of our home and it was democratic policies that got is reimbursement on those issues plus allowed us to get back into a home safely. I could detail it all but bit to personal. Maybe over a beer sometime. I don't necessarily mean 100% of all people but I know many who vote based on that as their main concern. I know opposites as well. My father is part of the 1%. He voted Democratic. I know another family member pretty much always in the brink of poverty and continues to vote Republican because of issues more than the fact they go bankrupt every time there's a R presidency or locally since they are small business owners. I can find R issues I agree with and disagree with. Same with D. But bottom line for me is who will allow me to survive and most look out for me and my family. Democrats serve that purpose until I'm the 1%. Then I'll reevaluate. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I dream of the day when there are no political parties; no left right bullshit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,311 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Thoughts on Bernie Sanders’s Democratic Socialism and the Primary Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,311 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 ian bremmer @ianbremmer 2h2 hours ago Net migration from Mexico to US 1995-2000: 2.27 million 2005-2010: -20,000 2009-2014: -140,000 Need a Wall to Keep Them Here... Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I dream of the day when there are no political parties; no left right bullshit. I think in a democracy you need opposing views to establish a viable country to live in. The issue I have is while I lean to the right in my political views, don't like the labels. If I support the Republican Party doesn't have to mean I'm against same sex marriage etc. In a country like the United States ANY qualifying citizen should be able to become President. That's why I believe people like Trump and Carson are great for the political arena. Because they aren't politicians. I rather have a guy tell he he is racist , then have a politician lie and manipulate voters to win an election. People like Hilary Clinton, Justin Trudeau are running and winning because it's their "turn" and they have been groomed for the position for years. I thought Jeb Bush was in similar company too, but he isn't doing well. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I think in a democracy you need opposing views to establish a viable country to live in. The issue I have is while I lean to the right in my political views, don't like the labels. If I support the Republican Party doesn't have to mean I'm against same sex marriage etc. In a country like the United States ANY qualifying citizen should be able to become President. That's why I believe people like Trump and Carson are great for the political arena. Because they aren't politicians. I rather have a guy tell he he is racist , then have a politician lie and manipulate voters to win an election. People like Hilary Clinton, Justin Trudeau are running and winning because it's their "turn" and they have been groomed for the position for years. I thought Jeb Bush was in similar company too, but he isn't doing well. You can have opposing views without parties and labels. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 You can have opposing views without parties and labels. True. But it wouldn't be organized and it would be chaos Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 True. But it wouldn't be organized and it would be chaos How so? It would be very much the same only nobody would be affiliated with a party. You'd vote for the person who you agreed with on the issues and thought would do the best job, not for a party with a candidate you know jackshit about just because your greatgrandnannypoppauncleeggbert always voted for them. Chaos? Lol Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I think in a democracy you need opposing views to establish a viable country to live in. The issue I have is while I lean to the right in my political views, don't like the labels. If I support the Republican Party doesn't have to mean I'm against same sex marriage etc. In a country like the United States ANY qualifying citizen should be able to become President. That's why I believe people like Trump and Carson are great for the political arena. Because they aren't politicians. I rather have a guy tell he he is racist , then have a politician lie and manipulate voters to win an election. People like Hilary Clinton, Justin Trudeau are running and winning because it's their "turn" and they have been groomed for the position for years. I thought Jeb Bush was in similar company too, but he isn't doing well. I agree that having trump and Carson actually making a race is good in the sense of not having everything be so goddamn straight-laced and forced and fake. I mean, Carson's views are from the 19th century and trump is a hot mic away from using the word 'exterminate' but a candidate that isn't too polished has to be a positive (Sanders too). Think you guys made some really interesting points on hoe having strict parties is problematic Link to post Share on other sites
Ottawa_Biatch 288 Posted January 17, 2016 Author Share Posted January 17, 2016 Put a decent sized bet on Marco Rubio at 3.25 (on bet 365). I just can't see the Republicans letting Trump win this thing. Cruz just isn't likeable. Rubio is my guy. Trump or Cruz will win Iowa, but then after that, I think Rubio will win New Hampshire. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Put a decent sized bet on Marco Rubio at 3.25 (on bet 365). I just can't see the Republicans letting Trump win this thing. Cruz just isn't likeable. Rubio is my guy. Trump or Cruz will win Iowa, but then after that, I think Rubio will win New Hampshire. Is the bet for President or Republican nominee? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ottawa_Biatch 288 Posted January 17, 2016 Author Share Posted January 17, 2016 Is the bet for President or Republican nominee? Republican Nominee 1 Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Exciting night tonight. Trump isn't participating in the final debate before Iowa caucuses. Will run his own event against the debate. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Also I think it would be epic if the President of the United States is Canadian born.. There are some that have argued that Cruz actually doesnt qualify to be President. The interpretation of the constitution has been argued by some, on what a "Natural born citizen" is.. Some scholars of the constitution agree and some dont on what the interpretation is. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,311 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Also I think it would be epic if the President of the United States is Canadian born.. There are some that have argued that Cruz actually doesnt qualify to be President. The interpretation of the constitution has been argued by some, on what a "Natural born citizen" is.. Some scholars of the constitution agree and some dont on what the interpretation is. In order of who would be the worst President 1. Ted Cruz 2. Donald Trump 3. Mike Huckabee 4. Ben Carson Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 In order of who would be the worst President 1. Ted Cruz 2. Donald Trump 3. Mike Huckabee 4. Ben Carson Here are my top 4: 1. Hillary Clinton 2. Hillary Clinton 3. Hillary Clinton 4. Hillary Clinton Link to post Share on other sites
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