Cobalt V. Nosup4u (sh) (5/10)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Bodog 5/10 NLHE (6-handed)NoSup4U $1196SB $671Cobalt $1000Cobalt is BB w/ K K . We haven't been at the table long. NoSup4U knows I'm generally TAG. I know he's generally LAG. He knows I know this. We've played together before, but we've never tangled in a major way. SB is somewhat loose and possibly a calling station...at least, he's caught me bluffing a couple of times, so he's very apt to not believe me.Pre-flop:1 fold, NoSup4U raises to $30, 2 folds, SB calls, Cobalt re-raises to $110, NoSup4U calls, SB callsFlop ($330): 8 6 5 (3 players)Cobalt bets $210, NoSup4U raises to $600, SB folds, Cobalt ?

[Royal_Tour 0]

Bodog 5/10 NLHE (6-handed)NoSup4U $1196SB $671Cobalt $1000Cobalt is BB w/ K K . We haven't been at the table long. NoSup4U knows I'm generally TAG. I know he's generally LAG. He knows I know this. We've played together before, but we've never tangled in a major way. SB is somewhat loose and possibly a calling station...at least, he's caught me bluffing a couple of times, so he's very apt to not believe me.Pre-flop:1 fold, NoSup4U raises to $30, 2 folds, SB calls, Cobalt re-raises to $110, NoSup4U calls, SB callsFlop ($330): 8 6 5 (3 players)Cobalt bets $210, NoSup4U raises to $600, SB folds, Cobalt ?

He's a donk ;)his range is too huge to fold here.i come over the top

[tskillz187 0]

I think your PF reraise should be a bit bigger in the $130-140 range. As is I think you have to shove here.

[HangukMiguk 8]

I think your PF reraise should be a bit bigger in the $130-140 range. As is I think you have to shove here.

seconded, the chance of you pushing it down to heads up with 110 just doesn't seem good to me. I make it about 125, and push after mark raises here. This situation looks too good, if he has a set, so be it, but I guess he was semi-bluffing with diamonds, maybe QJdd.

[dms26 3]

Judging by some of his posts in the goals thread from general his range is too wide to fold here. You're probably not a huge favorite against his typical range but the pot is already pretty big. I think he's got overcards and a flush draw, 78s or worst case A7d more often than he has a set.

[tskillz187 0]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think some of the ranges we are giving Nosup are a little to wide. I think he could have a set, 77, or something more like AQ or AKdd. I feel like he has to be giving Cobalt some credit for a legitimate strong hand here with the reraise out of his blind and strong flop bet.

[NoSup4U 0]

My thoughts for discussion:What hands could I have that he would be way ahead of?What hands could I have that he would be way behind?What hands could I have that he would be moderately ahead of?What hands could I have that he would be 50/50ish?Mark

[HangukMiguk 8]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think some of the ranges we are giving Nosup are a little to wide. I think he could have a set, 77, or something more like AQ or AKdd. I feel like he has to be giving Cobalt some credit for a legitimate strong hand here with the reraise out of his blind and strong flop bet.

can't have AKdd, Cobalt has the Kd.

[tskillz187 0]

My thoughts for discussion:What hands could I have that he would be way ahead of?

99-JJ

What hands could I have that he would be way behind?

Sets.

What hands could I have that he would be moderately ahead of?

AKdd, AQdd, 77

What hands could I have that he would be 50/50ish?Mark

34dd, 78dd, a7dd, a8dd

[tskillz187 0]

can't have AKdd, Cobalt has the Kd.

My bad, take that one away.

[NoSup4U 0]

99-JJ

I never never never would show up here with an overpair to the board unless its AA.Mark

[tskillz187 0]

I never never never would show up here with an overpair to the board unless its AA.Mark

Yeah I was gonna say "none" but then I thought of 99 which I think you could show up with more than 0%. I don't think all the hands I listed are all as likely as one another either. Does your pf calling range change if the raise is $130 and not $110?

[TB17 0]

Since I'm Mark's student, and only know Cobalt's play through various IMs of Bad Beats, I really dont think it's as easy a shove as most people think. Mark wouldn't do this with top pair or an overpair, so we're stuck with either a superdraw, or a set, or maybe even 77.With the Kd I might have to shovel, a naked KK and I fold.

[tskillz187 0]

How does he play 1010-QQ here?

[Royal_Tour 0]

wow.. really?? to all those saying no 99-QQ??he raised preflop, and called the re-raise. granted QQ might 3-bet, but 99,10,10 JJ? Mark you say you never show up with these hands here?what do you put cobalt on that he will call your raise on the flop?Obv u put him on a float here, and ur taking this pot, or You're trying to dirty him from the get go, which means u hope he has AA,KK and ur in a dirty spot with 2 dirty cards.I guess its the dirtyness

[Royal_Tour 0]

Since I'm Mark's student, and only know Cobalt's play through various IMs of Bad Beats, I really dont think it's as easy a shove as most people think. Mark wouldn't do this with top pair or an overpair, so we're stuck with either a superdraw, or a set, or maybe even 77.With the Kd I might have to shovel, a naked KK and I fold.

u need a lot more than Mark to help u.

[NoSup4U 0]

u need a lot more than Mark to help u.

LOL! :)Mark

[NoSup4U 0]

Yeah I was gonna say "none" but then I thought of 99 which I think you could show up with more than 0%. I don't think all the hands I listed are all as likely as one another either. Does your pf calling range change if the raise is $130 and not $110?

I could show up with 99 if I thought the PF raiser was just SUPER SUPER weaksauce and would fold KK here. But its really seldom I'd make that play.I flat call with an overpair (not aces) btw, I might even fold TT or JJ here, but not sure. I consider that the 'correct' play here. Raising with those hands is suicide imo.Mark

[Royal_Tour 0]

I could show up with 99 if I thought the PF raiser was just SUPER SUPER weaksauce and would fold KK here. But its really seldom I'd make that play.I flat call with an overpair (not aces) btw, I might even fold TT or JJ here, but not sure. I consider that the 'correct' play here. Raising with those hands is suicide imo.Mark

ya, i guess when dealing with this limit its diff.if this is 50NL or .25/.50 do u raise with overpairs?

[James D 0]

Mark, how often are you going to slow-play a funky hand like 79 suited here? (flopped straight).. almost never?I think it's either 79, a set, or 57 (or a few combinations of middle suited connectors making 2 pair), so I think it's a fold.

[tskillz187 0]

I could show up with 99 if I thought the PF raiser was just SUPER SUPER weaksauce and would fold KK here. But its really seldom I'd make that play.I flat call with an overpair (not aces) btw, I might even fold TT or JJ here, but not sure. I consider that the 'correct' play here. Raising with those hands is suicide imo.Mark

I'd really enjoy you staying here and commenting on hands more often, can never have enough smart players here, especially ones playing stakes similar to what I'm playing. Obviously selfish reasons for wanting you to post here although admittedly you play much tougher competition than I see live.

[NoSup4U 0]

wow.. really?? to all those saying no 99-QQ??he raised preflop, and called the re-raise. granted QQ might 3-bet, but 99,10,10 JJ? Mark you say you never show up with these hands here?

Nope, never.

what do you put cobalt on that he will call your raise on the flop?Obv u put him on a float here, and ur taking this pot, or You're trying to dirty him from the get go, which means u hope he has AA,KK and ur in a dirty spot with 2 dirty cards.I guess its the dirtyness

Well, if I have a hand like a set or 2 pair that I want him to call with, I hope he has AA/KK/QQ and won't fold. If I'm on a semi bluff, I hope he has AK, AQ, or will fold an overpair. :)This is definitely a scary board imo, given what I know about my 3bet calling range at least :)Mark

[NoSup4U 0]

Mark, how often are you going to slow-play a funky hand like 79 suited here? (flopped straight).. almost never?I think it's either 79, a set, or 57 (or a few combinations of middle suited connectors making 2 pair), so I think it's a fold.

I don't really ever slow play anything, and especially not here. He 3bet me, if I have a monster, I want to stack him, so I'm raising 95% of the time.Mark

[pokerplayer24 0]

RR bigger pre. Id say this is most likely a fold postflop unless Mark can show up with a ton of flush draws or pair + straight draws . With the sb acting behind and cobalt showing so much strength Mark will never have a hand that is way behind and cobalt will be way behind here pretty often.Also c/ring this flop might be better.

[NoSup4U 0]

ya, i guess when dealing with this limit its diff.if this is 50NL or .25/.50 do u raise with overpairs?

When raising, this is always my thought process:Will they call with something worse?Will they fold something better?If the answer is yes to either of those, I raise.Mark