dealer error

[Greentvdinner 0]

I just read a post about a dealer's error that cost a player 1/4 of the pot in an Omaha game. I recently saw a different kind of error in a tournament and would like your input.In the later stages of a live 40 person tourney, a short staked player declared all-in blind and pushed all of his chips in before the hand was dealt. He was immediately after the big blind in seat 3 and the dealer reached over and took his cards to the muck. He had no chips left to protect his hand so it technically wasn't his fault but the dealer's. The TD determined that since the dealer was at fault, they would try to find his cards and play the hand as such. The problem was two of the people who folded, couldn't remember exactly what they tossed and of course the player in question hadn't looked at his cards. They finally determined that what was left of the unknown cards in the muck, wouldn't have helped him in the eventual play of the hand.The blind was big enough that it would have taken his whole stack or left him with one chip.Do you think this was the correct solution or was there a better or more correct way to deal with this?

[DaBruins 0]

i would just say screw it, misdeal, and do the hand again from scratch.

[Greentvdinner 0]

i would just say screw it, misdeal, and do the hand again from scratch.

Problem is there is already action, the player who lost his cards didn't realize so until after the flop and some betting had taken place.

[leebs12 0]

tough one, judging the playyers stack size it sounds reasonable, but i bet there is a "correct" way to deal with it. I do not know that the correct way is.

[DaBruins 0]

i would just say screw it, misdeal, and do the hand again from scratch.

Problem is there is already action, the player who lost his cards didn't realize so until after the flop and some betting had taken place.

ahh i see. Well in light of that news, i say screw it, give the all-in guy his money back and play the hand out without him being involved.

[deadlysyns 0]

Rule No. 1 when playing LIVE.You MUST protect your cards. It does not matter if he was allin and does not have a chip to put on top of his cards, he needs to hold on to them.It is second nature for dealers to scoop up uprotected cards lying around.Once his cards touch the muck, his hand is dead.

[Aberlour 21 0]

Rule No. 1 when playing LIVE.You MUST protect your cards. It does not matter if he was allin and does not have a chip to put on top of his cards, he needs to hold on to them.It is second nature for dealers to scoop up uprotected cards lying around.Once his cards touch the muck, his hand is dead.

Not to mention he is all in blind and doesn't realize his cards have been mucked until after the flop? This has got to be made up but if it isn't, his hand is dead and he should be shown the door, given a passport and sent to a country where you're hands are cut off for even thinking about playing poker.Or send him to my game...

[SpeedKills 0]

Rule No. 1 when playing LIVE.You MUST protect your cards. It does not matter if he was allin and does not have a chip to put on top of his cards, he needs to hold on to them.It is second nature for dealers to scoop up uprotected cards lying around.Once his cards touch the muck, his hand is dead.

[DaBruins 0]

on a related note, who is that in the OPs avatar?

[Guest XXEddie]

why cant dealers ask?I understand if cards are thrown towards the center face down, but when cards are just lying there.....how does that indicate folding. Who looks at 72o, and thinks to themself "im gonna fold" and makes no motion to throw them in the muck

[BDPoolie 0]

The cards are dead once they hit the muck. There have been a few exceptions, if the floor can tell with absolute certainty what the cards were, but forthe most part they are dead.But also, the dealer should be paying more attention to the game. He should know when someone is all in at any time. He should know the action going on. So, even though it was his fault, he should be taken outside and kicked in the nuts.

[pmk-one 0]

Rule No. 1 when playing LIVE.You MUST protect your cards. It does not matter if he was allin and does not have a chip to put on top of his cards, he needs to hold on to them.It is second nature for dealers to scoop up uprotected cards lying around.Once his cards touch the muck, his hand is dead.

Period. This is a lesson you learn once and once only (and believe me I learned the hard way in Las Vegas. At least I got a free buffet to soothe that sick feeling!)

[Greentvdinner 0]

on a related note, who is that in the OPs avatar?

She is an Indian actress named Mallika Sherawat. Also, after you google her look up Bashira Basu.

[ScottK2001 0]

I was watching a tournament in Vegas (a one table satellite where the top two advanced) and with 3 remaining, one player was all-in from the small blind. The big blind calls.SB shows 4-5, BB shows 4-6. SB is looking for the 4 and is ready to go. Board comes K-Q-10-9-7. The dealer pushes the chips to the guy in the BB, and the guy in the SB walks away. The satellite ends. I am watching and clearly there should have been a split pot, but it totally wasn't my place to say anything, right?Of course, after it happened, the 3rd player (who wasn't involved in the hand) goes to the other "winner" and asks him if he noticed how it should have been a split pot. The dealer was clueless the whole time.

[TC_SB 0]

I think the all-in guy's hand should've been dead/folded. He failed to protect it. It sounds like the result was the same, but there would have been much less time wasted on the situation. I guess I am getting a little frustrated by the disregard for rules (for lack of a better term) I am running into these days. I was at a 2/4 LHE game last month and there were two guys left in a hand on the river. The board was Ah-9s-6h / 7d / 8c. The river was checked, one player showed A-J, and the other guy with 9h-10h mucked his hand face down. As the guy with A-J was about to take his pot, he said "I was worried that you had a 10." The guy then says, "wait, I did have a 10." The dealer then fishes through the muck, pulls out the cards, and turns them up. The player didn't identify the cards before they were turned over by the way. The player then says "I was only thinking about my flush draw, and forgot about the straight." So, the dealer called the floor over, and after some discussion, they gave the pot to the 9h-10h. Another player and I who had been silent on the matter because we had not been involved in the hand, then spoke up about it being the wrong decision. I know that I probably should have remained silent, but I think my frustration got the better of me. The semi-happy ending was that the floor gave the A-J player a credit for half of the pot. However, I think he should have gotten the whole pot.