Pocket Eights Facing An All In

[Jam-Fly 8]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG (t3105)UTG+1 (t3030)MP1 (t5053)MP2 (t3682)MP3 (t7837)CO (t6590)Hero (t2725)SB (t1610)BB (t4095)Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 8. UTG calls t100, 4 folds, CO calls t100, Hero calls t100, SB raises to t1610, 1 fold, UTG folds, CO folds, Hero ???

[AimHigher 0]

I think it's a fold, I would be shoving from the SB with something like 55+,A8s+,KQs,A8o+,KQo which gives you ~50.3% equity against his range. Since you are calling 1510 to win 2060 you need to have ~73% (1510/2060) equity to call.My estimated range could be off though, I'd like to see what others say about that.

[NonZeroPossibility 0]

You only got $100 in the pot, and although you could be dominating a smaller pair, you're probably 50/50 at best. I think I would fold this.

[Poker Addict 0]

Definite fold. If you thought you were strong or wanted to do the squeeze before the SB beat you to it, then you should have raised. I limp here too (yeah, I know, but it's not an open limp) and look for my set. I am laying this down 100% of the time looking for a better spot. And if it is not raised like this pre, prepared to lay this down on the flop without hitting. A low flop that is checked around and I will bet.

[gobears 0]

I think it's a fold, I would be shoving from the SB with something like 55+,A8s+,KQs,A8o+,KQo which gives you ~50.3% equity against his range. Since you are calling 1510 to win 2060 you need to have ~73% (1510/2060) equity to call.My estimated range could be off though, I'd like to see what others say about that.

Range looks ok as SB's range should be fairly wide minus any reads but if you have 50% equity, you only need 1-1 for a b/e call. You're getting 1.36-1 on the call so easy call.

[AimHigher 0]

Range looks ok as SB's range should be fairly wide minus any reads but if you have 50% equity, you only need 1-1 for a b/e call. You're getting 1.36-1 on the call so easy call.

Ah, crap, yeah I made a mistake with the math. We actually only need 42% equity to call. Ok, we can call.

[Kaveros 0]

Reads on Villain?My first instinct is to fold. You only have 100 invested, and your stack is deep enough that you can wait for a better spot.

[TravisG 0]

i call. a flip isn't a bad situation at all and the chips would help you a lot. he might also be picking up dead money with total rags.

[copernicus 0]

I would have raised myself and then folding to a reraise/push would be easy. As played its a tough spot . Villain isnt desperate yet and should have a pretty solid hand to push here, but we cant be more than a 60:40 dog to even a tighter range, so its a pretty even equity call. Id probably call without a good read on villain from the hands since he got short stacked.

[BeaverStyle 1]

I call, your hand is under-repped, I'd expect to be up against any pair, or a couple of face cards.

[jday561 0]

Yea I make the call in this situation..most likely coin flip situation

[Aces Rule 0]

Reads on Villain?My first instinct is to fold. You only have 100 invested, and your stack is deep enough that you can wait for a better spot.

I like Copernicus' comment on raising pf vs 2 limpers and the blinds to go - SB may still have gone all-in but also may have just called giving you the flop and a chance to steal even if you miss the set (8-1 against if memory serve me) - for example SB could be making his move with a mid pp. A call to a pf raise from the Btn and a flop like A-J-4 rb would usually have the SB cheking and the Btn C-bet for a win most of the time. But the scenero is what is was - 3 limpers and all-in from the SB who s short-stacked with just over 10M/16BB. Which brings me to Kaveros' reply and what I call the 2nd calculation often not made by the math types - the impact on your stack! After ypur limp you have 26BB or about 17M but if you lose you will reduced to 10BB or less than 7M with a call and loss. You've moved from a moderate stack to a desperate one on what is at best a coin flip even if the pot is giving you the right odds to call. I and maybe a few others believe those post odds that say it's a 'good call' qualify that assumsion with IF YOUR STACK CAN HANDLE THE HIT AND STILL REMAIN COMPETITIVE! I get all sorts of jabs when I fold with what looks like proper odds but I remind myself I was not elected sherriff of the table and a doubled up short stack that now makes me the new short stack is harder to eliminate and not such a good call after all. I usually reply I didn't think my bluff would beat his - lol In this hand if I had limped in with 8-8 and got raised up for that amount - I'd fold simply b/c my stack couldn't take the hit if I lost - which about 50-80% of the time I will. The time to make this call - or better yet move all-in first - is when you're short stacked at 15M or less. Another time is when you're the chip leader with plenty of chips and the hit won't hurt that much.

[WhatArunAA 0]

Yea I call..

[MovingIn 0]

Raise or fold. SB could think he's up against 3 marginal hands, none of which will call him, and could be playing a wide range. Or he could be playing a strong hand. We don't know because we've shown no strength by limping. A raise sends a stronger message, and if he overshoves then, then you'll have a better idea of what to do here. Limping is rarely a good play because we show weakness when doing so, then we run into these situations where we don't know what we're up against.As played, fold.