Would You Call?

[Poker Addict 0]

$10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100)Table 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: MP2 (1503 in chips)Seat 2: CO (8510 in chips)Seat 3: Villain (5775 in chips)Seat 4: HERO (3340 in chips)Seat 5: BB (3913 in chips)Seat 6: MP1 (1940 in chips)HERO : posts small blind 50*BSC*: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***DEALT TO HERO: As Js3 foldsVillain: raises 300 to 400HERO : calls 3501 fold*** FLOP *** [4s 8s Tc]HERO : checksVillain: bets 5375 and is all-inHERO : ?Was wondering your thoughts on this. How would you play this different? And as played, do you call?

[KoRnholio 2]

900 in the pot preflop. 2940 left in our stack. (900+2940) : 2940 = 3840 : 2940 = ~1.3:1 odds to call.Against a top pair hand (other than AT or JT) we are 55% to win. Against AT/JT we are ~48% to win. 2 pair or better probably doesn't overshove like that, even if it does we have many outs. We are crushing a worse flush draw. Snap call.

[jmbreslin 0]

Hmm, looks like an ideal spot for a go-n-go (see my other thread). Let's see here...Villain is raising first-in from the button with a big stack, so he could have a wide range here. Hero has just over 30BB. Hero reraises to, say, 1200. Villain either:(1) folds and Hero takes the pot(2) reraises Hero all in, in which case AJs holds up decently to his range(3) calls to see what Hero will do on the flop with position in his favorIf (3), the pot on the flop is about 2400 and Hero has about 2100 left. Hero pushes the flop with overcards and the NFD, putting villain on a tough decision and giving Hero plenty of outs if he gets called.

[jmbreslin 0]

Oh, as played I call. His flop bet is a massive overbet, which tells me he doesn't actually want a call. Hero most likely has 15 live outs here with the overs+NFD.

[copernicus 0]

Lead the flop. A call here is a lot dicier because he defintiely has set possibilities making you a big dog without that much dead money in the pot. If hes pushing to protect something worse than a set/2 pair you can probably pick up chips from him later. If your 35%, 50% or 60% depending on his holdings, and need to be about 45% to call youre break even or a little ahead when hehas the weaker hands half of the time and the set/2 pair half the time. I probably make a crying fold, because my equity cant be that highly positive to get it in when im going to be out the tourney more than half the time.

[KoRnholio 2]

Villain overbet shoves a set there virtually never. This is a huge flop for our hand, even better than an Axx flop where we could be buried by AQ/AK or not get any action from lesser hands.

[Sheiky 0]

That's the one Addilac posted in the challenge thread right?I snap call there.

[Poker Addict 0]

Yeah same one, we wanted more feedback from this group.

[copernicus 0]

results?

[Poker Addict 0]

results?

Well, I agree with people on here that it is a tight call. I like shoving this flop so it increases our equity. But as played I think you definitely have to call.Villain flips over A8o. Don't hate his shove with this hand after the flop was checked. It does take out 3 of our outs. I ran stove and I think we were still correct to call although I don't have the numbers in front of me. I thought at the time villain had 99. Even if villain flips AT, I think call is right.Anyway, brick, brick, game over.

[copernicus 0]

Well, I agree with people on here that it is a tight call. I like shoving this flop so it increases our equity. But as played I think you definitely have to call.Villain flips over A8o. Don't hate his shove with this hand after the flop was checked. It does take out 3 of our outs. I ran stove and I think we were still correct to call although I don't have the numbers in front of me. I thought at the time villain had 99. Even if villain flips AT, I think call is right.Anyway, brick, brick, game over.

Without stoving it, youve probably got 11 good outs for 44%. That happens to be almost exactly your breakeven equity getting 2.3:1. As I said above, when your equity is break-even but youre out of the tourney more than half the time, I lean toward folding.

[Poker Addict 0]

But I really like shoving this flop myself. Two overs with a nut flush draw. I guess this would the Stop n go like JMB has been talking about. I think we probably get A8 to fold a lot of the time. As well as smaller pairs. That plus our outs I think gives us the equity we need to make this profitable.

[copernicus 0]

But I really like shoving this flop myself. Two overs with a nut flush draw. I guess this would the Stop n go like JMB has been talking about. I think we probably get A8 to fold a lot of the time. As well as smaller pairs. That plus our outs I think gives us the equity we need to make this profitable.

Yes, you may have fold equity against his non-made hands that probably pushes the overall EV to enough to make it worthwhile. Since he pushed himself here, though, and given that his likely read is semi-bluff since its hard to put you on a T, I doubt whether you get him to fold.