a little story about a man named dan (l)

[CobaltBlue 662]

PrologueBodog 2/4 Limit (6 handed)Cobalt is CO w/ T T . MP is a guy named Dan. Dan is a bit of donk. I play with him regularly. Normally, Dan's fault is that he cold calls with marginal hands. Dan is one of the river bluffers (Q9) from yesterday's post. Ten-handed table is dying. Dan decides to raise.Pre-flop:1 fold, Dan raisesFlop (3 players): 8 4 2 :spade:Dan checks, Cobalt betsTurn (2 players): K Dan checks, Cobalt checksRiver (2 players): A :club:Dan checks, Cobalt checksFinal Pot: 4.5 BBNow to be honest...Dan doesn't raise all that much pre-flop...so that threw me a little. I've got a decent hand, but I really don't like 3-betting less than jacks. That said, I can't fold. I'm a curious scaredy cat, so the turn spooks me and I check. The river scares me further. I go the safe route (check/call) to figure out what Dan's raising pre-flop. Turns out Dan's raising J9os.Two hands later...The Hand in QuestionBodog 2/4 Limit (6 handed)Cobalt is UTG w/ J J . Dan is BB.Pre-flop:Cobalt raisesFlop (2 players): J A K :diamond:Dan checks, Cobalt betsTurn (2 players): T :club:Dan checks, Cobalt betsRiver (2 players): 8 :club:Dan checks, Cobalt checksFinal Pot: 8 BBDan raising pre-flop is rare. Dan 3-betting pre-flop is also quite rare. I elect to call. Flop's good. Turn's bad. I bet both anyway. Dan check-raises me on the turn. If Dan has a set of aces, set of kings, or some combination with a queen, I'm dead. The only plausible hands that I'm ahead of are AK, AJ, AT, and TT. I'm behind AA, KK, QQ, AQ, KQ, QJ, and QT. I refuse to be bluffed out by Dan...but if I 3-bet and he caps the turn, it's likely going to hurt. So how weak is my turn call and river check?

[looshle 6]

I think you played the second hand perfect, you have to call the raise hoping to pair the board because he's more likely raising here with a Q. He checks the river which suprised me and I think you have to check behind him, hes probably got AK, KK, or AA. I would have probably 3 bet the tens in the first hand to try to get it heads up with position, he may have a higher pair, but you cant always be scared of the nuts or youll lose alot of bets.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Hand 1 - not sure I agree with the turn check, followed by the river check. You have to bet one of those. Undecided on which one. Probably the river. Bet/call the river.Hand 2 - no way I see Dan having aces or kings. After the flop, would he not have raised you there with three to a straight on board (I know I would). The check/raise on the turn followed by the river check lets me think that he has two pair, or maybe trip tens. I think you missed the bet on the river. Bet/call the river. :wink:

[CobaltBlue 662]

Interestingly, Dan had J9 again. I look forward to playing with him more in the future.

[Tabulus 0]

Interestingly, Dan had J9 again. I look forward to playing with him more in the future.

Just a bit of a donk? I bet you look forward to playing him again

[Mattnxtc 0]

Dan's fault is that he cold calls with marginal hands.ive come to realize a thing or 2 about why fishies seem to do that...i think in thier logic (or at least the only sensible thing i can think of) is that if they hit a monster on the flop they are going to win a big hand...they are so proud of that one big hand they win that they forget about the 20 other hands they lost

[CobaltBlue 662]

Dan's fault is that he cold calls with marginal hands.ive come to realize a thing or 2 about why fishies seem to do that...i think in thier logic (or at least the only sensible thing i can think of) is that if they hit a monster on the flop they are going to win a big hand...

Yeah...I was musing over that exact idea this morning. There's a kernel of truth in their donkishness. Their implied odds are better in a raised pot.