Hector Cerif 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($54.40)UTG ($50)MP ($49.50)Button ($28.90)Hero ($88.15)Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J. 2 folds, Button raises to $2.25, Hero calls $2, 1 fold.Flop: ($5) 6, 8, 5(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $3.5, Hero raises to $11.5, Button raises to $30.15 (All-In), Hero calls $15.15.Turn: ($58.30) 3(2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($58.30) T(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $61.80Look good?The big pf bet made me think he either had a higher pocket pair or AKThoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I really hate calling off my stack with an overpair, I find I am always behind. Re-raise preflop IMHO makes it easier Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Maple 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 1. Re-raise pre flop2. I make the same play here on flop3. Fold Link to post Share on other sites
AKProdigy 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($54.40)UTG ($50)MP ($49.50)Button ($28.90)Hero ($88.15)Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J. 2 folds, Button raises to $2.25, Hero calls $2, 1 fold.Flop: ($5) 6, 8, 5(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $3.5, Hero raises to $11.5, Button raises to $30.15 (All-In), Hero calls $15.15.Turn: ($58.30) 3(2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($58.30) T(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $61.80Look good?The big pf bet made me think he either had a higher pocket pair or AKThoughts?Not saying that I agree, but if that's your thoughts, why'd you stack off on the flop? Imo, unless you have a read, hsi range is still pretty wide.Reraising preflop makes this hand much more straightforward on your behalf. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 1. Re-raise pre flop2. I make the same play here on flop3. FoldIf you reraise preflop and bet the flop there is no way you can fold. Link to post Share on other sites
AKProdigy 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 If you reraise preflop and bet the flop there is no way you can fold.Agreed, but if villain is flatcalling the 3 bet, imo it decreases the chance that he has somehting like QQ - AA and therefore we're mor elikely good on the flop. If we're shoved back preflop, I lay the hand down and don't even see a flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Maple 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 If you reraise preflop and bet the flop there is no way you can fold.Disagree mate,If your beat, your beat, I put villain on AA - QQ in this spot. Link to post Share on other sites
Hector Cerif 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 This hand depresses me. but if that's your thoughts, why'd you stack off on the flop?I guess i was going to see the flop and abandon if an A or K hitFigured he would go all in with AK here. (I can just never give short stacks credit for anything.) Link to post Share on other sites
Hector Cerif 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 By the way, under what circumstances, asside from having limpers in the pot, would anyone here raise more than pot Preflop? Link to post Share on other sites
AKProdigy 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 By the way, under what circumstances, asside from having limpers in the pot. would anyone here raise more than pot Preflop?I'm not sure I understand. Raising to 0.75 on the button would have been a raise more than pot (raise of .75 into a pot .35). Link to post Share on other sites
Hector Cerif 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Agreed, but if villain is flatcalling the 3 bet, imo it decreases the chance that he has somehting like QQ - AA and therefore we're mor elikely good on the flop. If we're shoved back preflop, I lay the hand down and don't even see a flop.I think this is good advice.Thanks everybody Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Disagree mate,If your beat, your beat, I put villain on AA - QQ in this spot.how much do you reraise to? and I assume you bet 2/3rds the pot on the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
Hector Cerif 0 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 I'm not sure I understand. Raising to 0.75 on the button would have been a raise more than pot (raise of .75 into a pot .35).sorry, i guess "bet pot" on full tilt makes a three and half bet size. Thats what i meant. Why would you ever bet more than 3-3 1/2big blind bet size pre flop without limpers Link to post Share on other sites
d0c 0 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Why would you ever bet more than 3-3 1/2 big blind bet size pre flop without limpers The big pf bet made me think he either had a higher pocket pair or AKBecause people play differently. This may imply weakness (small pp that really wants everyone to fold) or strength (protecting big pp).4,5BB bet is not very big and you can't deduct much from it without enough history.Flatting JJ OOP to a button opener is criminal. JJ is tough hand to play anyway, but without position nor initiative tough decisions come up postflop more than not Link to post Share on other sites
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