Bare with me on this ...

[oldadmin 0]

Thanks for taking a look at this post, I expect I will get flack about this one, but I'm hoping I can get a little closer to understanding Omaha better :wink: I'll preface with:I am a total rookie, though I've played so much Omaha on UB - it's almost pathetic; if any of you know much about me, you know I use to work for UB (grass roots era and then a resurgence last year and through April, 04). So, I've obviously stuck playing at UB more so than any other site.I've never read any poker book, never read more than maybe half of any poker game's rules and introduction and never talked about my thoughts on Omaha other than commenting after hands online and very small chit chat saying "ya, I play a little poker."That being said; my point is that I'm concerned about whether my views on Omaha are clouded by playing what I think is "UB poker" or if my assumptions about the game are right on the money from only playing online.I'd like to know if anyone else has noticed the amazing ability to almost predict hands at UB? (predicting hands? heh, that's the part I'll get grief about)Before I get to the hand combinations that almost always seem to hit, I will say that I have played at several different sites -- UB, Poker Stars, Paradise Poker, Poker Mountain, Poker Room, Party Poker, etc and didn't see anything different - so my main question is if anyone has noticed these particular boards will almost always fill up to a boat? (I must sound silly at this point, bare with me)-------------------------------regardless of suit-------------------------------A/Q/ragK/10/ragK/9/ragK/4/ragK/3/ragQ/5/ragJ/10/ragJ/4/rag10/7/rag9/4/rag-------------------------------If any of you have noticed that, is it just a normal thing or am I onto something because it happens a lot and I've made substantial (relative) gains based on it. I've then purposely gone against my assumptions and played only for flushes and straights and lost my bankroll to others hitting the hands I *knew* they would hit.Side note... based on these assumptions of mine, my bankroll was built up to about $500 from a couple of $50 buy-ins (playing .25/.50 PL Omaha) and a little over 1 mil in play chips (playing 10/20 PL Omaha); nothing big.Perhaps I'm just starting to realize statistics without having a strong grasp on the principles behind them? I'm open to any and all comments on this; good, bad, or indifferent and would really like some feedback from those that have played Omaha in a B&M card room regardless of limit.To get a good consensus, I added the poll to this one so you guys could put me in check. If I'm way off base, please say so.Thanks.

[ahosang 0]

I could only think that if certain flops contained cards that people would generally see a flop with(like aces, kings etc), the hand would go to the river more often. Then the 'pair on board' event would be noticed more. That would of course create a full house quite a lot in Omaha. However some of those flops mentioned do not seem to fit any such conclusion(like 9/4/rag). So, really I don't think there is any true reason for some of those. Probably just selective memory on your part, unless you are suggesting that the RNG's are skewed with certain allocations!!! I think maybe too many people will see flops with pairs in general(even middle pair), and call to the river to get the full house.

[oldadmin 0]

Actually... these observations are irregardless of what I'm holding and not a situation where I just happen to suck out per se. Those combinations consistently hit for others as well and it seems that betting on the come is the norm for Omaha in my opinion.I see someone voted that I should stop playing poker now and one voted that I should play for a living? Let me know your view points, have you noticed this in B&M games at all? I need some contructive criticism here.Thanks.

[tekn0wledg 0]

Interesting.... I didn't like UB's interface that much and the players played a bit differently than I liked over a year ago when I played there. I gave it a whirl for a while though.Interestingly enough my first two days on the system i quadrupled my I bankroll, I was like uhh this is weird.... naturally in the next few days I had nothing but rags, but I can chalk that up to statistical probability.Anyway my very hand on UB was A:heart:K:heart: and no less than a week later when two of my friends were referred both of their starting hands were the exact same. A month later another friend I referred, same thing :shock: I'm not saying it's fixed, I will just say that it was fishy.... but regardless, I play on PokerStars just because I didn't much care for the UB interface.

[oldadmin 0]

I was hoping for a little more feedback on this one, but I suppose I can always try other forums, too.Thanks for the feedback guys.

[ahosang 0]

You are probably not getting more feedback because it is a dubious topic. You cannot seriously expect that certain flops will yield pairs on the board. The RNG's may be imperfect, but you would need more than just a hunch or suggestion to warrant any investigation. A detailed record of skewed results would be be better if delivered to the poker site, but mere speculation will not get you any serious response.

[oldadmin 0]

Actually, based on a year of experience with Omaha on UB I can expect that certain flops will do just that.I explained in my first post that I played based solely on those assumptions which yielded good results (at UB) then played against those assumptions which, of course, did the opposite while other players hit the hands I assumed would hit.This is why my question was geared towards whether anyone had noticed this and specifically if they may have noticed it at B&M card rooms. I never suggested anything wrong or right with RNG's. Nor am I speculating there might be. I have no means by which to challenge anything RNG related nor would I endeavor to do so. I am merely asking if anyone else had noticed this to see if there is a general consensus or not that would shed light on a good understanding or lack of for Omaha on my part with respect to my experience at UB.Regardless though, I think I'll start reading some poker books.Thanks everyone.

[somnambulist 0]

I can see why flops withJ/10/ragA/Q/ragA/K/ragK/Q/ragK/J/ragQ/10/ragQ/J/ragA/10/ragetc etc will see more full houses by the river because people play cards with two face cards (inc 10) a lot. But why K/4/rag, K/3/rag are more likely than eg K/6/rag to see boats I cannot see. It could be a statistical fluctuation or your imagination 8) Ditto for 9/4/ rag.