wsox8 10 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Absolute PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.508 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $16.50UTG+1: $44.11MP1: $39.95MP2: $98.95CO: $50Button: $162.78SB: $46.25Hero: $110.70Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with Q Q UTG raises to $2.5, 3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero raises to $10.5, UTG raises all-in $16.5, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls.Flop: 7 4 6 ($52.25, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $52.25)Hero? Link to post Share on other sites
litlebullet 0 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 this is why I like tourneys more. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I don't think you have any reason to think you are behind the button. I'd lead for 35. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Does anyone else want to reraise PF after UTG's push to get more money from the button who we're almost always ahead of? Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Does anyone else want to reraise PF after UTG's push to get more money from the button who we're almost always ahead of?Can't, it's an underbet. UTG raise was only 6 after Hero raised 8. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Can't, it's an underbet. UTG raise was only 6 after Hero raised 8.Ah, if you were allowed to, would you? Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Ah, if you were allowed to, would you?I would, because it certainly doesn't look like button has a hand that is beating us, and I wouldn't want to just call and see an A or K flop, which would not only scare us, but would also cause us to lose value from a hand that we are currently beating like TT or JJ. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted May 21, 2007 Author Share Posted May 21, 2007 Ah, if you were allowed to, would you?I would definitely reraise pre if I could but I was forced to just call. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Absolute PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.508 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $16.50UTG+1: $44.11MP1: $39.95MP2: $98.95CO: $50Button: $162.78SB: $46.25Hero: $110.70Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with Q Q UTG raises to $2.5, 3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero raises to $10.5, UTG raises all-in $16.5, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls.Flop: 7 4 6 ($52.25, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $52.25)Hero? LOL, whoops. You can't really check down and wait for an ace to drop and have AJ catch up. You don't really want to shove into a pair of kings. Bet $20 and start and a side pot and see what BB's interest is ... and one one of the reasons I say that is that you are probably behind UTG ... but since they're all in, you may have to make your money on the side pot. Link to post Share on other sites
Ganador 0 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Assuming he is behind UTG I think is wrong, the guy is sitting with 16 bucks, has less than half of anyone else at the table, no way he is only shoving AA or KK here, he is shoving most pairs, big cards, Ax, whatever. Who hasnt see it a hundred times. Bet 30-35, and hope he has JJ and didnt sneak in with a set. But he is the one who smoothed 14 bucks more, he could have AA or KK, who knows, id be more sacred of button having it then UTG. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I would definitely reraise pre if I could but I was forced to just call.If the hero is really on the ball here, he raises small enough so that UTG's push does reopen the betting. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 If the hero is really on the ball here, he raises small enough so that UTG's push does reopen the betting.Bingo - messing up like this a couple times cures this mistake -- it's something every player should watch for. Always be aware of potential small stack pushes and bet accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites
docnuclear 0 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I don't think you have any reason to think you are behind the button. I'd lead for 35.+1 Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I assume you had no reads.Button's hand looks alot like 99-JJ, or something like AQ.Just lead the flop for 3/4 pot for value and protection. Link to post Share on other sites
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