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Of course I have no stake in what you believe (although it's probably to my benefit for smash to teach everyone to fold the flopped nuts with emphasis!), but why does everyone in this forum elbow each other out of the way to lick at the nutsack of thisy weak-tight lying piece of sh!t Smash?If I were an objective reader of this forum, I wouldn't take a shred of someone's advice without PROOF that they can back up what they claim. Particularly when they claim to win 40k off a known winning player, that would raise eyebrows. Also, when they steal Steve Badger's philosophy and pawn it off as their own, I would cast doubt. Finally, when they clearly betray signs of rampant gayness, I would think twice about drinking the coolaid.Good luck!

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well, smash is a well known asshole, i dont think many people will disagree with that, but when he takes the time to analyze a play or hand, it usually makes pretty good sense. I don't care if he is up a million dollars or a huge loser. That's his business and as i don't play at his limits, it doesn't matter to me. When I have asked a legitimate question that was worded decently, he will answer to the best of his ability in a way that someone less skilled at poker can understand. Does he go overboard and act like an ass? yes Does he analyze hands well and provide insight? yes Am i a 10 year old girl that is going to get their feelings hurt because someone is a bit rude or condescending while answering a question? No. You take the good with the bad dude.

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here is how I look at it:He is lying, and a deeply disturbed individual. Anyone that would lie on a forum to get the admiration of people he is probably never going to meet would be very very odd. If he is telling the truth, he is a great resource with valid points, and has many things to offer the forum.Either way I don't understand why you would care

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Of course I have no stake in what you believe (although it's probably to my benefit for smash to teach everyone to fold the flopped nuts with emphasis!), but why does everyone in this forum elbow each other out of the way to lick at the nutsack of thisy weak-tight lying piece of sh!t Smash?If I were an objective reader of this forum, I wouldn't take a shred of someone's advice without PROOF that they can back up what they claim. Particularly when they claim to win 40k off a known winning player, that would raise eyebrows. Also, when they steal Steve Badger's philosophy and pawn it off as their own, I would cast doubt. Finally, when they clearly betray signs of rampant gayness, I would think twice about drinking the coolaid.Good luck!
My GOD, man, how long are you going to hang on to this? Do you sit in your chair at home thinking "What can I post about that liar today?" It's apparent much of your time is spent thinking about him. What was that about signs of rampant gayness?Seriously. Your self worth can't keep depending on coming here flaming him. He won't sleep with you. Accept it.
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Of course I have no stake in what you believe (although it's probably to my benefit for smash to teach everyone to fold the flopped nuts with emphasis!), but why does everyone in this forum elbow each other out of the way to lick at the nutsack of thisy weak-tight lying piece of sh!t Smash?
Maybe it's because he doesn't generalize an entire population of people with very loose ties such as a forum community. Or perhaps it's because he doesn't make homophobic remarks like some distraught juvenile. Or perhaps the Hello Kitty avatar triggers some subconcious desire to give fellatio to people with the suffix of "roo" in their alias. I'm thinking this might really be the reason, but you're still a douche.
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1. Smash knows his shit. Spend more time in the strat section. I have disagreed with his analysis before but he can clearly back it up with serious poker knowledge.2. If you are worried that he isn't really playing at the limits he claims, why? Who cares. See point 1.3. If being with someone like MarionSauce is gay. Sign me up. 4. His shit is funny. I have had the honor of being flamed by Mr. Roo, and I laughed. This was in general and not in strat. His flames are dominate.

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Of course I have no stake in what you believe (although it's probably to my benefit for smash to teach everyone to fold the flopped nuts with emphasis!), but why does everyone in this forum elbow each other out of the way to lick at the nutsack of thisy weak-tight lying piece of sh!t Smash?If I were an objective reader of this forum, I wouldn't take a shred of someone's advice without PROOF that they can back up what they claim. Particularly when they claim to win 40k off a known winning player, that would raise eyebrows. Also, when they steal Steve Badger's philosophy and pawn it off as their own, I would cast doubt. Finally, when they clearly betray signs of rampant gayness, I would think twice about drinking the coolaid.Good luck!Wow. Did I annaly rape your grandmother again or something?Why so defensive suddenly? Go over some PT stats and realize where the 40k went suddenly or something?I mean, it's hardly original or unsusual to start random posts about me because of inferoirty coplexes, but there's usualy some triggering reason.Also, I'm not lying. I just feel no compuslsion to go through the effort to prove it to you, or to anyone else for a couple of reasons: 1) I'm completely unintrested in anyone knowing my Party screename. Providing one yours gives you information about me I have no intention of giving you particularly as we play poker for money with each other regularly. 2) There's absolutely nothing in it for me. I play for money, I post for fun. I could care less of what anyone who reads my posts thinks of me. I'm a writer, so I write. Sometimes I write to help people. Sometimes I write to make people laugh. Sometimes I write just to evoke a reaction.3) We wouldn't get to read posts like this one where I'm so inside your head you take the time to randomly start posts about me apparently arbitrarily. I can only imagine you were sitting around Stately Neuromance Manner thinking of other ways to rip Bil Gison off when you were suddenly struck by the need to be the 999999384th useless poster to "expose" me as whatever on this forum. As a fraud, as a mean guy, as a liar, as a bad poker player, as whatever. Never works.Know why?It's called "Charisma" baby.Charisma.Look into it. Maybe you and Dan Druff can sell all 4 kidneys and get some sort of sense of humor transplant in Sweeden that would help you understand why people love reading what I write.Man, I'm the greatest.good luck.Oh hey, thanks again for the car.

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1) I'm completely unintrested in anyone knowing my Party screename. Providing one yours gives you information about me I have no intention of giving you particularly as we play poker for money with each other regularly.
Nobody is asking you to reveal your screename. But I do recall a deafening silence when I suggested that you reveal *any* of my screenames, just as a single, marginal point of validation of the 40k claim.Also, I assure you I am at least equally as entertained by our "discussions" as you are. I don't see any reason to call off the conversation because of your guilt or whatever you mentioned.
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well, smash is a well known asshole, i dont think many people will disagree with that, but when he takes the time to analyze a play or hand, it usually makes pretty good sense. I don't care if he is up a million dollars or a huge loser. That's his business and as i don't play at his limits, it doesn't matter to me. When I have asked a legitimate question that was worded decently, he will answer to the best of his ability in a way that someone less skilled at poker can understand. Does he go overboard and act like an ass? yes Does he analyze hands well and provide insight? yes Am i a 10 year old girl that is going to get their feelings hurt because someone is a bit rude or condescending while answering a question? No. You take the good with the bad dude.
Smash's general attitude or whatever isn't at issue here--it's the bizarre logic of many forum members towards blindly accepting his poker advice. If you're genuinely interested in improving your game, why wouldn't you care if the advice you're taking is coming from a losing player (to paraphrase what you wrote above)? While it's clear from Smash's posts that he's a winning player, the degree to which he wins is very much unclear. But, if all I had to go on was his ridiculous claim of winning 40k from a player who has proof of never losing more than 6k to a single player, I'd cast a great deal of suspicion on his tone of expertise. I guess this sort of post is motivated 50% by irritation at being the subject of a false claim, and 50% by curiosity about everyone else's general disinterest in figuring out whether their strategic mentor has any real credentials.
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I don't think someone who plays for money, and not ego, would make statements about how much they've won off someone, but that's just my opinion. I, for one, am glad that Wintermute has been posting in our Omaha section. I've read him on two + two and he knows his Omaha 8. I think some of us come to the conclusion that he's a self-righteous prick, and others come to the conclusion that he knows his cards and is amusing. Has he given decent advice here? Yes. Has he given crap advice here? Yes. My two cents.

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BTW, a long time ago Smash did an experiment to see if he could work his way from the lowest levels up to a $1000 dallars in Limit Holdem (at least it was something like that). The purpose of which was to show other new players how to play. He gave out the screen name and posted tons of hands from each session. People were free to watch and comment/question each session. His results were excellent. His play was pretty much text book. His did that for no other reason than to help other people improve their game, and it did show he could play.Unfortunately he quit doing that due to the constant crap from people with thin skin questioning basic plays (I'll grant you that some people take his comments way too seriously).So there is some evidence that he knows what hes talking about, but no one here takes his advice blindly and its odd that you think people on this forum do (considering all the flaming he gets).BTW, post this type of stuff in general next time. You will get a lot more intelligent comments :wink:

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So there is some evidence that he knows what hes talking about, but no one here takes his advice blindly and its odd that you think people on this forum do (considering all the flaming he gets).
I don't think it's odd, because as someone showed a few weeks back, the differences between general PLO8 strategy mentality between here and 2+2 are like night and day, as far as agression and discretion goes. When you read the posts here, it seems pretty clear to me that many of the tight players who are trying to get by on nut-peddling have just taken Smash's word as gospel... that's the only reason I can figure out for why folks would want to ignore the basic and obvious mathematical basis for a more aggressive approach. Now, I'm not saying that a LAG style will work for everyone, or that it's the best style for any level--that's why I'm making an effort to post more here... to get exposure to a different way of thinking. But reading through posts of the past few weeks, it seems like everyone is just reinforcing an ultra-tight strategy that I'm 100% sure is far from optimal. And I'm pretty sure it's due to Smash's influence. Perhaps I underestimated other posters autonomy, but the threads I've seen just seem like everyone agreeing to fold a flopped wheel because they have no chance for improvement, etc.
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But reading through posts of the past few weeks, it seems like everyone is just reinforcing an ultra-tight strategy that I'm 100% sure is far from optimal. And I'm pretty sure it's due to Smash's influence. I think you're missing the point.People who have NEVER played PLO/PLO8 have no concept of position, or really of the relative value of hands at various stages of the game.Teaching them to beat the game comes before teaching them to exploit smaller edges. Winning tends to incline people to continue learning about a game. If some people just want to grind out consistent low variance wins in the many very easy PLO8 games and not go further that's fine too.I offer a consistent, easy to understand approach to the game to teach people to beat it. When people start asking when to make plays and when to push marginal edges, I'll start answering those.Right now I'd like to see people make a little money and learn the game.

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I offer a consistent, easy to understand approach to the game to teach people to beat it. When people start asking when to make plays and when to push marginal edges, I'll start answering those.Right now I'd like to see people make a little money and learn the game.
That statement seemed like an infomercial pitch.What you guys need to realize is who Smash is gearinghis advise towards. It's not for the guy who plays athigh stakes and already has a good idea of positionand the relative value of starting hands. In other wordsthat leaves a LOT of people on here who need his type of advice.
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But reading through posts of the past few weeks, it seems like everyone is just reinforcing an ultra-tight strategy that I'm 100% sure is far from optimal. And I'm pretty sure it's due to Smash's influence.  
I'm pretty sure it's due to the fact that a tight strategy is the best proven way to go about beating low stakes games.I like Smash but if he got hit by a bus tomorrow I'm also pretty sure my life would go on.Stop your crying Wintermute, no one cares.
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why does this forum worship a known liar?Because he's a very good lying bastard.Why do so many people worship god?
Cause some dudes wrote a big book about him.Coincidence?
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