DJ Vu, on Wednesday, January 18th, 2012, 12:40 PM, said:
I think I said my beliefs would probably be closest to deism.From wiki:Deism in religious philosophy is the belief that reason and observation of the natural world, without the need for organized religion, can determine that the universe is the product of an all-powerful creator. According to deists, the creator does not intervene in human affairs or suspend the natural laws of the universe.
The thing is, I don't
think "reason and observation...can determine that the universe is the product of an all-powerful creator." My belief is more like, there might be some God out there who got the ball rolling, but I don't think he's some sort of puppetmaster controlling everything on earth.My biggest pet peeve when it comes to the God arguments are the ones that talk about the motivations or feelings of "God." Or limiting what an all-powerful and omniscient being would or wouldn't do.I guess I don't think there is proof that a God exists, but I'm not sure there is proof that one doesn't exist either and given the choice between the two, I just like the idea of one existing, even as it doesn't intervene in human affairs in any way.So I'm not really sure there's much for me and Spadey to discuss unless he wants to prove to me that a God cannot exist.Edit: Me and Spadey had a similar discussion starting here
. He might not realize that was me because it was two names ago.
This doesn't definatively explain it, but it goes a long way elaborating on Hawking's Weak Anthropic Principle,http://www.amazon.co...r/dp/145162445X
A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing Lawrence Krauss’s provocative answers to these and other timeless questions in a wildly popular lecture now on YouTube
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