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I've been playing with the Villain for about 4 hours. He is LAG. He makes quality bets. Bets more than the pot when he wants to push you out, and always makes the bet a callable amount when he thinks you are drawing. The button is an older gentleman that calls and chases everything. He and the Villain have somewhat of a rivalry going on after the button has put some river beats on the Villain.Button ($97)Villain in SB ($350)HERO in BB ($395) is dealt AsKhPre-Flop:SB raises to $15, HERO calls, Button calls. There were some miscellaneous limpers that folded.Flop ($51): Ks 10s 4sSB checks, HERO bets $30, Button calls, SB raises to $70, HERO???This is my thought process in this situation. With the stack sizes I thought that I can do one of two things. Push or fold. I thought that if I just called the SB pushes on the Turn. It was obvious the button was going all-in after the SB raised. I looked over to see how much he had left and he had all $52 in his hand ready to push. Thoughts?

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Fold.In a spots like this, i think your too often against a pair+flush draw or a straight up flush (maybe even straight draw) too often to call.

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I don't know...I kind of get the feeling we're way behind here, this looks like a set, or an already made flush to me, considering this I like a fold, but there's no way you can fold now, you're getting almost 4:1 on your money. I guess I'd call and reevaluate on the turn...obv a blank falls and I c/f to his shove or w/e!?completely misread stakes and action and stuff...so yeah ur getting between 4:1 and 5:1, so obv call, but I hate a shove

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I think a raise to $200 is in order here. We are sometimes winning and we can't get value if another spade falls, so get the money in now.
Don't you think if we raise to $200 here there is a good chance that the SB is going to shove? I know the pot is going to be split when the button comes along but isn't it the SB we need to worry about? Surely you have to be ridiculously strong to check raise a board like this.
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I think the only time we'll ever get him the fold a hand that beats us is if he has KT, exactly that. I just can't think of a hand he would be mincheckraising(or close to it) with that doesn't have us beat. So I can't see him folding here anything but KT, like I said. Actually, after having time to absorb it (maybe...lol) I think I'd fold here, if I was sure we're beat, if we just call, our 9 outs(we're probably not even close to 9 outs) have to hit on the river, and I don't think it'd be the right price for that.So all I'm saying is(lol), being pretty certain about being beat but not certain about how leads me to the conclusion a fold is best here. In that spot I don't wanna waste 4 hours of play on a stupid draw for 90% of my stack.I know this is weird, reverse kind of thinking, plus my english ain't that great, so don't worry if you don't get what the hell I'm talking about or what the hell I was thinking^^
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Surely you have to be ridiculously strong to check raise a board like this.
You give live players too much credit. Many people playing 1/2 live are just idiots.
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I think the only time we'll ever get him the fold a hand that beats us is if he has KT, exactly that. I just can't think of a hand he would be mincheckraising(or close to it) with that doesn't have us beat. So I can't see him folding here anything but KT, like I said. Actually, after having time to absorb it (maybe...lol) I think I'd fold here, if I was sure we're beat, if we just call, our 9 outs(we're probably not even close to 9 outs) have to hit on the river, and I don't think it'd be the right price for that.So all I'm saying is(lol), being pretty certain about being beat but not certain about how leads me to the conclusion a fold is best here. In that spot I don't wanna waste 4 hours of play on a stupid draw for 90% of my stack.I know this is weird, reverse kind of thinking, plus my english ain't that great, so don't worry if you don't get what the hell I'm talking about or what the hell I was thinking^^
If you're gonna correctly put him on a set, or a made flush, and fold this hand in real time, then kudos to you. To be honest with you, I really don't care what Villain has in this spot. I know he doesn't have the nuts, because I have the As. That, plus the power of aggression, plus the fact that my opponent is smart (according to the description, possibly enough to fold a beat hand), plus luck of the outdraw, adds up to the fact that this hand plays itself for me.The fact that Hero has been there for 4 hours has zero to do with this particular hand, aside from getting reads. In my opinion, if you're afraid of getting stacked in this spot, you need a bigger bankroll. You have to accept the possibility of getting stacked and brush it off. But I am not folding this hand, and I am not calling, because my implied odds decrease if I just call and hit the flush. I'm raising to at least $200, pot committing myself.And what Acid Knight said just above, about 1/2 live players, is spot on.
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I shovel this like 10 days a week..I guess raising to 200 or so accomplishes almost the same thing but I hate when we brick the turn and SB shoves..Whatever, we're going the whole way with this hand regardless

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I don't know...I kind of get the feeling we're way behind here, this looks like a set, or an already made flush to me, considering this I like a fold, but there's no way you can fold now, you're getting almost 4:1 on your money. I guess I'd call and reevaluate on the turn...obv a blank falls and I c/f to his shove or w/e!?completely misread stakes and action and stuff...so yeah ur getting between 4:1 and 5:1, so obv call, but I hate a shove
Raising to 200 and shoving and pretty much the same thing, except we make him think we're allowing him to only call 200 if he wants to gamble or whatever. And no, we're never WAY behind here. We really can't be worse than 3:1 dog, and usually we're ahead or flipping.
Don't you think if we raise to $200 here there is a good chance that the SB is going to shove? I know the pot is going to be split when the button comes along but isn't it the SB we need to worry about? Surely you have to be ridiculously strong to check raise a board like this.
What's wrong with that? We want all the money in. Our hand is very strong, and unless we're against a set, we're either flipping, freerolling, or crushing the villian. Shove all he wants, we're never folding this.
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If you're gonna correctly put him on a set, or a made flush, and fold this hand in real time, then kudos to you. To be honest with you, I really don't care what Villain has in this spot. I know he doesn't have the nuts, because I have the As. That, plus the power of aggression, plus the fact that my opponent is smart (according to the description, possibly enough to fold a beat hand), plus luck of the outdraw, adds up to the fact that this hand plays itself for me.The fact that Hero has been there for 4 hours has zero to do with this particular hand, aside from getting reads. In my opinion, if you're afraid of getting stacked in this spot, you need a bigger bankroll. You have to accept the possibility of getting stacked and brush it off. But I am not folding this hand, and I am not calling, because my implied odds decrease if I just call and hit the flush. I'm raising to at least $200, pot committing myself.And what Acid Knight said just above, about 1/2 live players, is spot on.
This is pretty spot on.
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