Live 1/2 Hand

[hartman72 0]

Sorry, no hand convertor.I played a hand at my local casino today, that I thought was one of the most interesting I've been in. I took a very weird line, but I was confident I made the right decision on all three streets. I knew 1st position very well, he's a very tight, solid player. SB just came to table. I'd like to hear thoughts by some live players out there and I'll share my opinion on the hand if there's any good feedback.SB~8001st position~600Hero (Button)~5001st position raises to 10, Hero raises to 30 with AK, SB calls, 1st position calls.Flop: K J 7 rainbow.SB checks, 1st position bets 50, Hero calls, SB calls.Turn: 5SB checks, 1st position checks, Hero checks.River: 5SB bets 200, 1st position tanks for 3 min and calls, Hero calls.Comments/Analysis?

[rbakken2504 0]

Sorry, no hand convertor.I played a hand at my local casino today, that I thought was one of the most interesting I've been in. I took a very weird line, but I was confident I made the right decision on all three streets. I knew 1st position very well, he's a very tight, solid player. SB just came to table. I'd like to hear thoughts by some live players out there and I'll share my opinion on the hand if there's any good feedback.SB~8001st position~600Hero (Button)~5001st position raises to 10, Hero raises to 30 with AK, SB calls, 1st position calls.Flop: K J 7 rainbow.SB checks, 1st position bets 50, Hero calls, SB calls.Turn: 5SB checks, 1st position checks, Hero checks.River: 5SB bets 200, 1st position tanks for 3 min and calls, Hero calls.Comments/Analysis?

First off, how in gods name did SB get four buy-ins after just sitting down??? As far as the hand goes I think you have to bet the turn, it gives you more info on the hand, and you wont be put in a really gay spot like you were on the river. On the river, you're almost never ahead in this spot...SB looks very much like he has a full house, and UTG's range has KQ, AK, or AA in it. SB could be bluffing, but i highly doubt it as there really isnt much bluffing going on at a 1/2 NL game, most people play pretty snug.

[Shark527 0]

UTG's range has KQ, AK, or AA in it.

I think AK is most likely.If UTG is tight and competent player like OP is stating, he would most likely dump KQ to the raise pre and 4bet AA.

[Andynice20 0]

Why check the turn?Guessing SB had pocket 7's?

[Mills 0]

its sort of a hard hand to analyze because of how soft you played it. We really don't have much information. The 200 bet on the end looks like KQ to me.... possibly KJ, but I kinda doubt it. I'm having a hard time deciding what the tight player tank calls there... I have to rule out AA or KK because I just don't see a tight player flating a huge hand after a raise and a call.If I had to guess Id say you and the tight player both have AK the SB has KQ.. but again, its sort of hard to formulate hand ranges because you didnt really make an effort to find out where you were. Thus, pre-flop information is pretty much all we have to go on.

[rrumsey 0]

dont ever check that turn, and i probably stack off here unless villains are solid rocks

[haasx109 0]

I would say almost certainly pocker 77's. AA woulda four bet preflop. But this is every players worst nightmare am I wrong? BEAUTIFUL flop for you and at the river you want to cry

[Mills 0]

to be honest, a set of 7s seems so unlikely to me here for SB that im surprised so many are suggesting it (could be wrong, of course)A set of 7s should put in a check raise against this kind of board on the flop with the preflop action imo... especially against the rock, who almost certainly has some kind of big ace here. If the guy has 3 7s he costs himself a lot of money by playing the first two streets soft. a smallish to mid size raise may even get called by both spots on the flop, with a great shot of getting a turn bet called, and possibly a river as well. If the guy has a set of 7s, he played them insanely poorly in my view

[KingJames 11]

If the guy has a set of 7s, he played them insanely poorly in my view

This. Definitely not impossible because of the lolive-poker-amentsI kind of like the line hero took. I'd probably find a fold on the river, but I'm a huge nit.I've recently had a discussion in which we talked about the range we should assign a cold-call of a 3-bet from the sb/bb. Generally I think we decided that it's TT-QQ and AQs AKoI think this range gets a little wider as we're 1) live 2) deepI think SB may have JJ here. I would prob c/r the flop, but there is def merit in c/c imo. THen he goes for the c/r on the turn, got no takers and decides he needs to value bet river.As far a MP, I agree with others who said it looks a lot like KQPaging Dr. Deepstack187

[hartman72 0]

First off, how in gods name did SB get four buy-ins after just sitting down??? As far as the hand goes I think you have to bet the turn, it gives you more info on the hand, and you wont be put in a really gay spot like you were on the river. On the river, you're almost never ahead in this spot...SB looks very much like he has a full house, and UTG's range has KQ, AK, or AA in it. SB could be bluffing, but i highly doubt it as there really isnt much bluffing going on at a 1/2 NL game, most people play pretty snug.

Sorry, he moved to my table from another.

[hartman72 0]

Wow, all good responses. Here is my thought process.When UTG called 20 more, I completely ruled out AA. He 4 bets me 100% of the time with another player in the pot. If we were heads up, it might be different.When he bet 50 on the flop, his hand is either JJ or AK. NOTHING else. (Remember I've played with this villain a lot)I'm not good enough to lay AK down to a single bet on that flop, so I called. I was a little uneasy about the SB calling but many 1/2 players call there with Q 10, A Q, who knows what else.When the SB checked the turn, I ruled out a set of 7s or Js. Most live players love building a pot on the turn and I just didn't think he'd check a set in that spot with the pot already close to 200. When UTG checked, I KNEW he had AK then, he certainly would have bet JJ. He knows I'm a somewhat decent player, so he knew I had to have a big hand, so I think he makes a good check here.SO, now that I'm pretty much 100% sure UTG has AK, and I'm about 80% certain I have SB crushed, I decide to check. No way SB calls a reasonable bet on the turn with a worse hand than mine......IMO.The river pairs 5's, but that is unimportant to how the hand was played preflop and on the flop. SB pushes in 200!!? UTG tanks of course as I figured he would and calls. Now, if UTG and I had A LOT more chips, I might consider a raise since I though I had SB beat. I just call though and SB showed AJ, and UTG shows AK and we chop. I'm not sure if SB was value betting or what, but he was visibly upset with the way I played the hand. He said my check on the turn was the worst he's ever seen, but I think it's debatable with what I knew. I'm not saying the check was good, but I'd have to hear some solid reasoning to change my mind, considering what I knew in the hand.

[hartman72 0]

Remember, against 2 unknowns, I do fire the turn 100% of the time. But with the info I had, I think a solid case can be made for checking here.

[Mills 0]

While I do think its LOL that the guy critisized your play holding AJ in that spot, I will say that imo, you missed out on a ton of value in this hand. As I put the SB on KQ and the UTG on AK i would have moved in on this river, just because it's very hard to imagine that I am beat based on the way the hand plays out.... Im not sure I like your turn check either, but if it ended up getting you 200 from a guy putting his money in bad, way to go, heh.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Sorry, no hand convertor.I played a hand at my local casino today, that I thought was one of the most interesting I've been in. I took a very weird line, but I was confident I made the right decision on all three streets. I knew 1st position very well, he's a very tight, solid player. SB just came to table. I'd like to hear thoughts by some live players out there and I'll share my opinion on the hand if there's any good feedback.SB~8001st position~600Hero (Button)~5001st position raises to 10, Hero raises to 30 with AK, SB calls, 1st position calls.Flop: K J 7 rainbow.SB checks, 1st position bets 50, Hero calls, SB calls.Turn: 5SB checks, 1st position checks, Hero checks.River: 5SB bets 200, 1st position tanks for 3 min and calls, Hero calls.Comments/Analysis?

This is a sick-to-my-stomach snap call. You really should be betting the turn.

[mtdesmoines 3]

He said my check on the turn was the worst he's ever seen, but I think it's debatable with what I knew. I'm not saying the check was good, but I'd have to hear some solid reasoning to change my mind, considering what I knew in the hand.

BTW, I don't give an ear to criticism from someone who calls a 3 bet with AJ, and loses a buyin in a three way pot with a KJ755 board. One of the worst things you can ever do is listen to at-the-table criticism/analysis from live 1-2 players.

[MaxStPolish 4]

BTW, I don't give an ear to criticism from someone who calls a 3 bet with AJ, and loses a buyin in a three way pot with a KJ755 board. One of the worst things you can ever do is listen to at-the-table criticism/analysis from live 1-2 players.

Right?? He's shove bluffing into two players.You should have told him, "this is exactly why I check the turn, sport. Because the guy with JJ/77 will value bet me on the river....whereas idiots with 2nd pairs will open shove" pot control + giving donks enough rope to hang themselves FTW.

[trystero 0]

write a note and pass it to him"fold pf imo"

[hartman72 0]

BTW, I don't give an ear to criticism from someone who calls a 3 bet with AJ, and loses a buyin in a three way pot with a KJ755 board. One of the worst things you can ever do is listen to at-the-table criticism/analysis from live 1-2 players.

I understand that, I just thought it was interesting when he said it was the worst check he' s ever seen. I'm trying to analyze whether or not it is more profitable in the long run to check the turn, knowing what kind of info I had on UTG and the fact that SB has to be somewhat of an idiot, cold calling 30 preflop.

[SwolyswoND 1]

You really should be betting the turn.

Why, exactly? Pot control is fine here, especially since if we do bet turn we're checking behind the river UI.

[Mills 0]

we're betting the turn for value/ find out where we are... why would we ever check that river?what is the purpose of pot control here? The way the hand is being played, is there any reason to think you shouldnt be trying to get as much value as possible

[hartman72 0]

we're betting the turn for value/ find out where we are... why would we ever check that river?what is the purpose of pot control here? The way the hand is being played, is there any reason to think you shouldnt be trying to get as much value as possible

I can see this as a valid point IF I don't know much about the players. By the turn, I knew UTG had AK, and I was almost positive I had SB beat. I certainly didn't know he had AJ, I thought more like Q 10, or A Q. So I already knew where I was at in the hand.As far as betting for value, I was sure UTG wasn't going to fold, and if I bet into that pot on the turn, it's going to be around 125. As bad as SB is, I don't think he'd call there with second pair or a straight draw with just one card left.I thought it would be better to let SB take a stab on the river, since he had to think he was behind in the hand to both of us. I know hindsight is 20/20, and I'm aware of the risks I take checking turns like that, but I think this is a great spot to check.

[Mills 0]

If that's the case, why just call the river, what are you afraid of at this point? If you are in fact checking to induce a river bluff, you must think you are good (as you should) and the 5 is not at all a scare card... so why not raise?

[hartman72 0]

If that's the case, why just call the river, what are you afraid of at this point? If you are in fact checking to induce a river bluff, you must think you are good (as you should) and the 5 is not at all a scare card... so why not raise?

I mentioned earlier, that raising would have merit if UTG and I had more chips. I only had around 200 left after my river call, so I highly doubt UTG folds if I push. SB folds, (IMO at least), but I'm not too sure. Looking back, a raise would have been a very powerful play, and I wish I had. I trusted my instincts by making the call, but just didn't have enough balls to raise. That's why I play 1/2 I suppose.

[Mills 0]

As for the sb... yea it would be a bad call for him... but hes already made one bad play putting the 200 in, he may feel he is commited at this point as hes getting odds to call and is deep ... so i wouldnt put it past himnothin wrong with 1/2, my friend, where else do people stack off with the worst of it so frequently

[rrumsey 0]

we're betting the turn for value/ find out where we are... why would we ever check that river?what is the purpose of pot control here? The way the hand is being played, is there any reason to think you shouldnt be trying to get as much value as possible

oh dear god don't say those words we have top pair top kicker on a pretty dry board in a weak live game ,.... do you really not know where we are most of the time????second part is starting to think the right way. that being said, it is multiway on the river and we saw a big bet and a call, it is a little more thin of a spot to raise, raising/ betting for value should have happened on turn to hopefully be isolated