Horrible Spot With Aa In 12/45 Turbo

[The Nuts 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button (t1325)SB (t1260)BB (t1640)UTG (t3060)UTG+1 (t1335)MP1 (t780)Hero (t1465)CO (t2635)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A , A . 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t120, CO calls t120, Button calls t120, SB calls t105, BB calls t90, UTG+1 folds.Flop: (t630) 5 , 8 , 7 (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t420, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t420.Turn: (t1470) 6 (2 players)BB checks, Hero checks.River: (t1470) T (2 players)BB bets t1020, Hero folds.Final Pot: t1470--------------Standard, right? Or should I have shoved the turn?

[StupidKid 0]

Standard.I may pop to 150pf but that's nitpicking obv.Nh

[Wingman008 0]

Standard

[The Nuts 0]

If a non-spade, non-straight card hits on the river (queens of hearts, for example), do you call a shove or move in on the river if checked to?

[Metternich 0]

With 4 cards in front of him the villain's range is gigantic, easy fold here.

[StupidKid 0]

If a non-spade, non-straight card hits on the river (queens of hearts, for example), do you call a shove or move in on the river if checked to?

Wow, plz don't shove the river here - That would be horrible. I'm in check fold mode after turn unless he bets like 1/20th pot or something stupid.

[NonZeroPossibility 0]

Couple things.... If it's obvious 7 people call preflop for 4x BB then... nevermind this won't get through anyways.

[StupidKid 0]

Couple things.... If it's obvious 7 people call preflop for 4x BB then... nevermind this won't get through anyways.

Are all your posts this helpful?I gotta look through the rest of them!Thanks man!

[Wingman008 0]

Couple things.... If it's obvious 7 people call preflop for 4x BB then... nevermind this won't get through anyways.

I'm confused, are you trying to say that we don't want 3825903people in the hand when we hold AA due to the likely hood that the flop is going to help them and not us?I'm not sure where you are going with this train of thought....

[The Nuts 0]

Couple things.... If it's obvious 7 people call preflop for 4x BB then... nevermind this won't get through anyways.

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[waylander11 0]

Couple things.... If it's obvious 7 people call preflop for 4x BB then... nevermind this won't get through anyways.

seriously though, if you're playing in a low limit turbo and the blinds are low people are going to call huge bets, i would probably make it about 230 here preflop and then pot it on the flop. I think a lot more good comes from that than giving everyone huge implied odds to suck out on you.

[LJB723 0]

No-one b/f turn?

[jmbreslin 0]

The problem with leading the turn is that any bet would commit Hero to the pot. He only has about 900 left at that point and the pot is 1400. The only betting option would be to push in the hopes that the 6 wasn't helpful and that he's on a flush draw. The question is, how likely is that 6 to have been helpful to him? He'd have to be playing a GSD, either alone or as a combo draw (something like Ks9s). I think a much greater likelihood is that Hero is up against a FD with overcards, something like KsQs or KsJs.The tricky issue on the turn is that the situation is ripe for villain to bluff at the pot representing a big hand. Hero raised, CB'd, and then backed off on the turn. Now villain can push representing a straight or flush, knowing that Hero likely can't call.

[LJB723 0]

The problem with leading the turn is that any bet would commit Hero to the pot. He only has about 900 left at that point and the pot is 1400. The only betting option would be to push in the hopes that the 6 wasn't helpful and that he's on a flush draw. The question is, how likely is that 6 to have been helpful to him? He'd have to be playing a GSD, either alone or as a combo draw (something like Ks9s). I think a much greater likelihood is that Hero is up against a FD with overcards, something like KsQs or KsJs.The tricky issue on the turn is that the situation is ripe for villain to bluff at the pot representing a big hand. Hero raised, CB'd, and then backed off on the turn. Now villain can push representing a straight or flush, knowing that Hero likely can't call.

Sorry, didn't pay attention to the stack sizes. I play like the bolded part though

[jmbreslin 0]

The tricky issue on the turn is that the situation is ripe for villain to bluff at the pot representing a big hand. Hero raised, CB'd, and then backed off on the turn. Now villain can push representing a straight or flush, knowing that Hero likely can't call.

Sorry, meant the river not the turn.

[The Nuts 0]

The tricky issue on the turn is that the situation is ripe for villain to bluff at the pot representing a big hand. Hero raised, CB'd, and then backed off on the turn. Now villain can push representing a straight or flush, knowing that Hero likely can't call.

This is what almost induced me to call the river.

[NonZeroPossibility 0]

I'm confused, are you trying to say that we don't want 3825903people in the hand when we hold AA due to the likely hood that the flop is going to help them and not us?I'm not sure where you are going with this train of thought....

Waylander gets it. But really tho, if you haven't figured out yet that AA shrinks in value with the more hands playing a pot then I don't think I can help.

[rog 0]

Waylander gets it. But really tho, if you haven't figured out yet that AA shrinks in value with the more hands playing a pot then I don't think I can help.

AA increases in value with more hands in the pot. Decreases in percent to win, but increases in EV.

[Doug 0]

Think you played it fine, shoving the turn is bad I think with 5678 on the board.