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Posted 30 June 2009 - 10:51 PM

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 03:19 PM

View PostBigDMcGee, on Tuesday, June 30th, 2009, 1:36 PM, said:

LOL Really? Any port in a storm, I suppose.
A few years ago I found myself in an extremely desperate situation. It was pretty much life or death. Statistically, what I needed to happen had a less than 1% chance of happening. I've never prayed harder for anything in my life than I did on that day.Either I binked a <1%er in the most important moment of my life, or my prayers were answered. I choose to be grateful to God.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 03:38 PM

View Postvbnautilus, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 2:06 AM, said:

You know what tilts me? The frigging B) emoticon being triggered in lists.
No one has an excuse for this:
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#24 Spademan

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 05:31 PM

View PostFlushgarden, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 3:19 PM, said:

A few years ago I found myself in an extremely desperate situation. It was pretty much life or death. Statistically, what I needed to happen had a less than 1% chance of happening. I've never prayed harder for anything in my life than I did on that day.Either I binked a <1%er in the most important moment of my life, or my prayers were answered. I choose to be grateful to God.
You realize 1% is 1 out of 100 right? You realize that that means it would happen 1 out of 100 times.You realize that those odds aren't even all that great.You know that even something that will only happen 1 time out of a million... will happen 1 time out of a million sometimes.Replace "Luck" with "God" in my sig and the whole thing applies to you.There is no Grand Wizard in the sky who is looking out for little old special chimp, speck of mote on a dirtball floating in vast space you.Get over it.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 06:48 PM

View PostSpademan, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 6:31 PM, said:

You realize 1% is 1 out of 100 right? You realize that that means it would happen 1 out of 100 times.You realize that those odds aren't even all that great.You know that even something that will only happen 1 time out of a million... will happen 1 time out of a million sometimes.Replace "Luck" with "God" in my sig and the whole thing applies to you.There is no Grand Wizard in the sky who is looking out for little old special chimp, speck of mote on a dirtball floating in vast space you.Get over it.
Yeah, I'm familiar with math and probability. It's how I make my living. I realize that its far from concrete proof. I don't need concrete proof. Faith is worthless if given concrete proof. I said I choose to give God the credit.We all have a choice. If we didn't have a choice...then well...whats the point? Right?
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 07:16 PM

View PostFlushgarden, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 7:48 PM, said:

Faith is worthless if given concrete proof.
it's worthless either way, which is easily demonstrated by the fact that it leads people toaccept differing mutually exclusive beliefs.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 08:21 PM

View PostFlushgarden, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 10:48 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm familiar with math and probability. It's how I make my living. I realize that its far from concrete proof. I don't need concrete proof. Faith is worthless if given concrete proof. I said I choose to give God the credit.We all have a choice. If we didn't have a choice...then well...whats the point? Right?
which is exactly why faith is such a dangerous thing.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 09:37 PM

View Postantistuff, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 9:21 PM, said:

which is exactly why faith is such a dangerous thing.
It's not dangerous, it's completely necessary. There is no concrete proof either way, and there never will be.I'm not sure if I made my point clearly though. If God floated down from heaven and landed in Times Square and gave us proof of his existence, then our devotion to him is meaningless. We would have no choice but to follow his orders and live as he wishes. There is a reason that we do not have proof. It is so that we are allowed to make a conscious decision, one that makes our faith (or lack of faith) meaningful. I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe what I believe; but to for anybody to call himself an atheist and then close the subject in their own mind to any further debate is not wise, imo. If you're an atheist simply because there is no proof, then you're missing the point.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 09:48 PM

View PostFlushgarden, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 10:37 PM, said:

It's not dangerous, it's completely necessary. There is no concrete proof either way, and there never will be.I'm not sure if I made my point clearly though. If God floated down from heaven and landed in Times Square and gave us proof of his existence, then our devotion to him is meaningless. We would have no choice but to follow his orders and live as he wishes. There is a reason that we do not have proof. It is so that we are allowed to make a conscious decision, one that makes our faith (or lack of faith) meaningful. I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe what I believe; but to for anybody to call himself an atheist and then close the subject in their own mind to any further debate is not wise, imo. If you're an atheist simply because there is no proof, then you're missing the point.
I don't intend to be rude by saying this, but this is the most insidious mind-virus that religion has ever invented. You are even better if you believe something without evidence.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 10:27 PM

View Postvbnautilus, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 10:48 PM, said:

I don't intend to be rude by saying this, but this is the most insidious mind-virus that religion has ever invented. You are even better if you believe something without evidence.
I guess I'll take that as a compliment, since I came up with it myself. lol I guess maaaybe it could have been a point that has been made before, but its not one that I had personally heard or read or anything like that. I'm far from religious. I don't read the bible and I very rarely go to church (once or twice a year when I'm dragged there). I love science more than anybody I personally know. I just think its best to err on the side of caution.And I think there's plenty of evidence, just no proof.You should let the virus into your mind.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 03:45 AM

View PostFlushgarden, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 10:27 PM, said:

I guess I'll take that as a compliment, since I came up with it myself. lol I guess maaaybe it could have been a point that has been made before, but its not one that I had personally heard or read or anything like that. I'm far from religious. I don't read the bible and I very rarely go to church (once or twice a year when I'm dragged there). I love science more than anybody I personally know. I just think its best to err on the side of caution.And I think there's plenty of evidence, just no proof.You should let the virus into your mind.
You're kidding right?Just about everything you say you base your "beliefs" upon is an affront to critical thought.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 03:59 AM

View PostSpademan, on Thursday, July 2nd, 2009, 6:45 AM, said:

You're kidding right?Just about everything you say you base your "beliefs" upon is an affront to critical thought.
He not only admitted that a few posts back, but he said his beliefs SHOULD be an affront to critical thought. I think you probably need to just step away from the car at this point.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 05:41 AM

View PostFlushgarden, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 10:37 PM, said:

It's not dangerous, it's completely necessary. There is no concrete proof either way, and there never will be.I'm not sure if I made my point clearly though. If God floated down from heaven and landed in Times Square and gave us proof of his existence, then our devotion to him is meaningless. We would have no choice but to follow his orders and live as he wishes. There is a reason that we do not have proof. It is so that we are allowed to make a conscious decision, one that makes our faith (or lack of faith) meaningful.
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If you're an atheist simply because there is no proof, then you're missing the point.
i could list a million things you don't believe in because there is no proof. why does god get a different set of rules than you apply to everything else?

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 08:39 AM

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QUOTE (Spademan @ Friday, May 22nd, 2009, 4:24 PM)
We are both being judgmental, the only difference is my judgments are well reasoned, well presented and actually have something to do with reality whereas yours are inane assumption wrapped in a steaming pile of contradiction.

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 09:28 AM

View PostFlushgarden, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 10:27 PM, said:

I just think its best to err on the side of caution.
This is easily my very favorite argument in favor of theism. I actually speak to God on a regular basis and occasionally give him a list of persons who should be allowed in to heaven. Ship me $100 and I will put you on the latest version of this list. As unlikely as this may seem, it is best of err on the side of caution, right?

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 09:46 AM

View PostFlushgarden, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 6:48 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm familiar with math and probability. It's how I make my living. I realize that its far from concrete proof. I don't need concrete proof. Faith is worthless if given concrete proof. I said I choose to give God the credit.We all have a choice. If we didn't have a choice...then well...whats the point? Right?
Just like people in Salem chose to believe in witches
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 09:51 AM

You guys are fagging up my perfectly nice thread, I just want you to know that.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 10:06 AM

View PostcrowTrobot, on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009, 8:16 PM, said:

it's worthless either way, which is easily demonstrated by the fact that it leads people toaccept differing mutually exclusive beliefs.
youre on the right side here but realize that faith is not worthless, its evil. its negative, not zero. where there is the lack of reason, there is force and aggression, because reason will never amount to force with all things being reasonable. insert faith, and this all goes out the window. a reasonable society will never produce the inquisition, 9/11, nazism, or the cultural revolution. faith is the most well known way to bypass reason. I know you know all this but im just saying.

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 10:08 AM

View PostSpademan, on Thursday, July 2nd, 2009, 4:45 AM, said:

You're kidding right?Just about everything you say you base your "beliefs" upon is an affront to critical thought.
do you know of ayn rand at all? i think you should if not...

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 10:12 AM

Yeah, because Ayn Rand's bullshit pop-culture philosophy barely makes more sense than the bible. Barely.
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