Wsop M.e. Aa Vs Kk

[Eshootzi_scrs 0]

This was posted as a Quiz bowl question in another forum with an answer and explanation that I will post later.Just looking for some different views to post back. " You are playing in the first round of Binion's $10,000 buy-in World Series of Poker. You have only been playing about 20 minutes and you find pocket Kings and raise to $300. A player you have never played with before then raises another $1,000 you decide to call his $1,000 and raise $2,000 more. This means you have 1/3 of your starting stack already in the pot. Your opponent then moves all in. If you call and win you have doubled up if you call and lose you are out of the tournament. If you fold you are now the shortest stack at the table. There is only one hand (ACES) that can beat you. What do you do now? a. Callb. Fold"Any explanation or math you would like to include would be appreciated.

[Ko8e34 0]

I'd fold. He's not going to be betting that big with anything other than aces that early.

[GeneralGeeWhiz 0]

Uhhh first round of the main event these days = donks. Snap call.

[Kaveros 0]

Even donks know there is a limit.. they know theyare donks, but they don't want to be the first one out.That been said there it can just as easily be QQ in a donks hands, andin the interest of going deep, I call.

[king_tanner 84]

throw keys to my mansion in the pot

[AAsnake88 0]

This was posted as a Quiz bowl question in another forum with an answer and explanation that I will post later.Just looking for some different views to post back. " You are playing in the first round of Binion's $10,000 buy-in World Series of Poker. You have only been playing about 20 minutes and you find pocket Kings and raise to $300. A player you have never played with before then raises another $1,000 you decide to call his $1,000 and raise $2,000 more. This means you have 1/3 of your starting stack already in the pot. Your opponent then moves all in. If you call and win you have doubled up if you call and lose you are out of the tournament. If you fold you are now the shortest stack at the table. There is only one hand (ACES) that can beat you. What do you do now? a. Callb. Fold"Any explanation or math you would like to include would be appreciated.

lol it's been awhile.

[FourFlusher 0]

Actually, there are 168 other hands that all have the potential to beat you in a 7 card game like Hold'em.If you don't improve, any two pair, any set, any straight, any flush...any two cards can take it down.If it's me...I play my Kings. No guts, no sausage.

[king_tanner 84]

no sausage.

i <3 sausage

[Eshootzi_scrs 0]

OK here's the first part of the "ANSWER" from the quiz and the reason I posted the question here. I'm sure this scenario has been posted before but, well every year is different and new."9. b The correct answer is Fold.Explanation: There are no maniacs in a $10,000 tournament your opponent almost certainly has Aces. Even with 1/3 of your stack gone, you still have time to recover because the blinds are still small."There are no maniacs???? are you sure? Maybe the missed alot of Jamie Golds play.Or the god infusing Jerry Yang.Here is the rest of the explanation, which actually builds a decent case.""If you need further convincing, I will share the math provided by our first responder:Any player, knowing you have a very strong hand based upon your raising and re-raising action, would be an idiot to put the rest of his $10K ($8700) in the pot with anything other than AA. So you have to believe there’s at least 80% (and that’s conservative) chance he’s got the rockets. Even if he didn’t have aces, you still have a chance to lose. Any high pocket pair, like 10s, jacks, or queens, still presents a 20% chance you will lose. Same for AKs, with even a lower winning percentage of 60% Assume you believe there’s 75% chance of his having AA, 15% chance high pocket pair, and 10% chance AK. Your outlook is .15% (75% * 20%), + 12% (15% * 80%) + 6% (10% * 60%), or approximately 33% chance to continue to play in the WSOP. Yes, you lost $3300, but you’re still left with $6700, a stack size still capable of plenty of play and opportunity this early in the tournament. Let’s say there are 2000 players in the tourney and you have just started, and that places 100 and up are in the money. This means you effectively started with a 5% chance of making the money. Let’s assume your doubling up would increase your chance of making the money by 20% - to 6% - ; and by folding now with $6700 you have decreased your odds by 20% - to 5%. So, you have two choices(1) Fold with 100% probability – or a sure thing - that you will have 4% chance of making the money, or(2) Call the all in with only 33% probability, or a 2 to 1 underdog, that you will have a 6% chance of making the money. Also, most importantly, a 66% chance, or 2 to 1 favorite, of walking away from the table and licking your $10,000 wound.It’s a no-brainer – TOSS EM""Me I'm playing ..........maybe. But really by this math it's probably best to fold every hand that may eventually put you all-in.

[antistuff 0]

Me I'm playing .......... it's probably best to fold every hand .

don't be so hard on yourself.

[Doug 0]

Im sure this is in a sklansky book and he said it was a fold, but im sure by todays standards he would call.

[nockerts 0]

Im sure this is in a sklansky book and he said it was a fold, but im sure by todays standards he would call.

yeah, this is definately in his 'tournament poker for advanced players' book

[Royal_Tour 0]

This was posted as a Quiz bowl question in another forum with an answer and explanation that I will post later.Just looking for some different views to post back. " You are playing in the first round of Binion's $10,000 buy-in World Series of Poker. You have only been playing about 20 minutes and you find pocket Kings and raise to $300. A player you have never played with before then raises another $1,000 you decide to call his $1,000 and raise $2,000 more. This means you have 1/3 of your starting stack already in the pot. Your opponent then moves all in. If you call and win you have doubled up if you call and lose you are out of the tournament. If you fold you are now the shortest stack at the table. There is only one hand (ACES) that can beat you. What do you do now? a. Callb. Fold"Any explanation or math you would like to include would be appreciated.

Sounds like your opponent is representing the only hand better than your kings..... Aces.There isnt much you can do but fold....if you believe him.... or...... "I'm all in"Then he'll say.. "Take it down".In a heads up match, the size of your stack is just as important as your cards. You just chopped 1 of this guys legs out. Now all you have to do is outlast 6,789 other players.

[Royal_Tour 0]

This was posted as a Quiz bowl question in another forum with an answer and explanation that I will post later.Just looking for some different views to post back. " You are playing in the first round of Binion's $10,000 buy-in World Series of Poker. You have only been playing about 20 minutes and you find pocket Kings and raise to $300. A player you have never played with before then raises another $1,000 you decide to call his $1,000 and raise $2,000 more. This means you have 1/3 of your starting stack already in the pot. Your opponent then moves all in. If you call and win you have doubled up if you call and lose you are out of the tournament. If you fold you are now the shortest stack at the table. There is only one hand (ACES) that can beat you. What do you do now? a. Callb. Fold"Any explanation or math you would like to include would be appreciated.

for my real answer.its simple.. This is a trick question.once you said call it was over. Thats a string raise. Not allowed. end thread/

[ROACHBABY 0]

i <3 sausage

QFT. Sausage is gewd!!!!

[jethrodull 0]

not only a string raise, but this is at the Binions WSOP, which only had pro's playin, so obv a fold...J

[chgocubs99 0]

for my real answer.its simple.. This is a trick question.once you said call it was over. Thats a string raise. Not allowed. end thread/

not only a string raise, but this is at the Binions WSOP, which only had pro's playin, so obv a fold...J

Agreed

[Al Smooth 0]

It would be moreinteresting to see the action in regards to the Rio strucure (20k in chips, 2 hr levels). Would the guys who responded call with KK still call if they had 16.5k left?

[freak2304 0]

I think I would fold and follow the Hellmuthian philosphy that I could probably get all my money in later as a bigger favorite....mostly because my KK never hold against AK. -shrug-

[Vtlaxer09 4]

Sounds like your opponent is representing the only hand better than your kings..... Aces.There isnt much you can do but fold....if you believe him.... or...... "I'm all in"Then he'll say.. "Take it down".In a heads up match, the size of your stack is just as important as your cards. You just chopped 1 of this guys legs out. Now all you have to do is outlast 6,789 other players.

is this some kind of variation of what was said in rounders?

[HighwayStar 8]

I accept.

[timwakefield 68]

I accept.

Before see the floop????

[HighwayStar 8]

Before see the floop????

withouth to see teh floop.eys

[colonel Feathers 5]

half the time I call, other half I fold.

[jkalib 0]

Question: Am I playing on a superaccount at the time?