Disgusting Brainwashing

[jmkiser 0]

C'mon... leave the damn kids alone

[semaj550 0]

C'mon... leave the damn kids alone

That crap is just embarassing to me as a Christian.

[timwakefield 68]

"We have the preconceived idea that dinosaurs died out millions of years before people, and I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's just not true." - Some jerk in the video.Preconceived? Are you fucking kidding?"Who should you always trust first, God or the scientist?" - Another jerk.Ok, when God comes down and tells me about dinosaurs I'll believe it. You however, with your stupid microphone strapped to your face, are not God."I wanna win a Nobel Prize.""For creationism?""Yep."I will eat my motherfucking hat.

[crowTrobot 2]

That crap is just embarassing to me as a Christian.

your double standard is showing.

[Loismustdie 0]

You could make a video of the extreme side of any issue and make an idealogy look bad in the process- there is no challenge in that. See retard,point,shoot,it's a wrap. I don't see how that is so special.

[BWToth 0]

You could make a video of the extreme side of any issue and make an idealogy look bad in the process- there is no challenge in that. See retard,point,shoot,it's a wrap. I don't see how that is so special.

I wouldn't say that the video is THAT extreme of a side.And THAT is the scary part.

[jmkiser 0]

BWToth's got it right... This isn't the Christian extreme... in many places, it's the mainstream. Notice how popular this place was, how many children were there, how much financial support it had, etc.That's what is scary about it.

[Loismustdie 0]

I wouldn't say that the video is THAT extreme of a side.And THAT is the scary part.

Horseshit. After being involved in christianity on some level for 28 years,not once have I sat in a truck that had quotes on it. Not once have I sat in a restaurant where the menus had scriptures on them- never even see that. You won't find that in Phoenix,Oregon,California,Washington,all place where I have attended Church of Christ functions. Occasionally,you may see a truck with scriptures on it(not connected to anybody at my church mind you)- but usually the worst you see is a bumper sticker. Christ was low key- he was noticed because of the things he taught and his claim to be the son of God, not because of theatrics. This is not christianity- it's something else. I have been saying for 2 years now that what you guys are portraying as christianity,isn't. It's people that really,are looking for an identity but instead of letting it come to them are creating it,forcing the issue,because they believe what they do outwardly is what God is looking for. It isn't. God is served from the heart and mind,not because my truck proclaims something in large letters.

[jmkiser 0]

You haven't been through the Bible Belt lately, have you? This IS your religion. It may not be exactly what you believe, but they are your "Christian brothers and sisters". Church of Christ people in my state are just as bad as these guys only they are so on a much smaller scale... luckily. They don't have the money like the big popular crazy churches with full-out projection entertainment systems, full sound equipment, etc.I understand where you are coming from, Lois, and what you're saying, but they are falling on deaf ears. Christians believe a myriad of different beliefs and there has never ever been anything set or definitive for the religion. But while all of the disagreeing and misunderstanding is going on, this is the crap that is being taught to the young of the United States of America. Your science teacher doesn't know what he's talking about... God does. Jesus Camp TrailerI went and saw that movie expecting to be shocked... I, sadly, wasn't. These kids should be outside playing basketball, learning, having fun with their friends, etc. Instead (and admittedly) they are being bred for a religious war against "the enemy"This stuff ****ing disgusts and I'm sick and ****ing tired of it.The power of faith.This is the stuff that upsets me... that makes me sick to my stomach... that makes me worried about the future... that makes me worried about "terrorism", "extremism", etc. These ****ing people want to take over this god damned country.Agh... bad day to even try to argue religion with me.... wait till I get some sleep and I'll be more rational tomorrow.

[semaj550 0]

your double standard is showing.

You show me how holding the things I do to be true necessarily requires me to hold this crap true as well. Just because someone claims to be a Christian doesn't mean I have to agree with every rediculous word out of their mouth. Even many other Christians think this stuff is complete b/s solely from a scriptural position.

[gozo 0]

Christ was low key- he was noticed because of the things he taught and his claim to be the son of God, not because of theatrics.

No theatrics? Raising people from the dead, turning water in to wine, walking on water... If that's not theatrics, I don't know what is! Jesus...what a showoff.

[BWToth 0]

Gozo you're right.That was the EXACT purpose of Jesus performing miracles, to do something so astounding to people that they would think twice about him and say, 'hmm, maybe there IS something special about this guy'. He performed miracles to separate himself from the other numerous 'prophets' of his day. Or so that is what Christianity teaches.Lois, Just because this brand of Christianity isn't the same brand you subscribe to does not mean it isn't widespread in many other areas across the country, Kiser covered this enough, but just to reiterate...I live in NC and here, as well as the farther south you go this is the most predominant 'type' of evangelical christianity.Semaj,These people get their 'story' from the exact same book you get 'your' story from. It is the way they interprate it. Just as you have criticized non-christians in this forum for changing the words of the bible around, you are now doing the same with ACTUAL christians. You say the words in the Bible mean one thing, and the people in the video are saying another. Who is right? You think you are, but why?

[semaj550 0]

Semaj,These people get their 'story' from the exact same book you get 'your' story from. It is the way they interprate it. Just as you have criticized non-christians in this forum for changing the words of the bible around, you are now doing the same with ACTUAL christians. You say the words in the Bible mean one thing, and the people in the video are saying another. Who is right? You think you are, but why?

You're not serious are you? Young Earth Creationism relies on faulty interpretations of specific Bible passages while flat out ignoring others which are directly relevant. It also relies on ideas not supported by the Bible at all, with any kind of interpretation.

[BWToth 0]

You're not serious are you? Young Earth Creationism relies on faulty interpretations of specific Bible passages while flat out ignoring others which are directly relevant. It also relies on ideas not supported by the Bible at all, with any kind of interpretation.

You're going to have to lay them out, side by side and show me how this is the case before i buy this load.What's the motivation of the people who advocate it then? Too appear to be lunatics?

[semaj550 0]

You're going to have to lay them out, side by side and show me how this is the case before i buy this load.What's the motivation of the people who advocate it then? Too appear to be lunatics?

There's no doubt they believe this crap. The problem is they may as well believe in flying pigs, the Easter Bunny and the FSM. This stuff has no basis in scripture or in science. I posted a couple links in the Young-Earth Creationism thread that might interest you. There are several articles - from a Christian source - that deal with the subject here.

[BWToth 0]

There's no doubt they believe this crap. The problem is they may as well believe in flying pigs, the Easter Bunny and the FSM. This stuff has no basis in scripture or in science. I posted a couple links in the Young-Earth Creationism thread that might interest you. There are several articles - from a Christian source - that deal with the subject here.

All I see are INTERPRETATIONS based on personal beliefs just like the 'behemoth' people are INTERPRETING the verses in Job etc. The difference is that you agree with the former.Here is their reason why Genesis doesn't include mention of the dinosaurs:"However, this is a one page description of the creation of the world and life in it. Trying to explain about an extinct group of creatures would have taken a lot of space and distracted from the rest of the creation account."Beause it would have taken up too much space. Hmm.How's that for taking liberties with an interpretation?Oh, I just happened to leave out the need for yeast in that recipe for bread because it wouldn't fit on the notecard.

[herokid7 0]

Gozo you're right.That was the EXACT purpose of Jesus performing miracles, to do something so astounding to people that they would think twice about him and say, 'hmm, maybe there IS something special about this guy'. He performed miracles to separate himself from the other numerous 'prophets' of his day. Or so that is what Christianity teaches.Lois, Just because this brand of Christianity isn't the same brand you subscribe to does not mean it isn't widespread in many other areas across the country, Kiser covered this enough, but just to reiterate...I live in NC and here, as well as the farther south you go this is the most predominant 'type' of evangelical christianity.Semaj,These people get their 'story' from the exact same book you get 'your' story from. It is the way they interprate it. Just as you have criticized non-christians in this forum for changing the words of the bible around, you are now doing the same with ACTUAL christians. You say the words in the Bible mean one thing, and the people in the video are saying another. Who is right? You think you are, but why?

Actually, Jesus performed miracles because he wanted to help people because he loved them. Many places in the Bible he healed someone and then said "Don't tell anybody about this." Because he didn't want to be considered a magician or just flashy. As far as interpretation goes, I strongly suggest the book "Velvet Elvis" by Rob Bell. He talks extensively about interpretation of Scripture and how many Christians disagree.

[jmkiser 0]

Actually, Jesus performed miracles because he wanted to help people because he loved them. Many places in the Bible he healed someone and then said "Don't tell anybody about this." Because he didn't want to be considered a magician or just flashy. As far as interpretation goes, I strongly suggest the book "Velvet Elvis" by Rob Bell. He talks extensively about interpretation of Scripture and how many Christians disagree.

Water into wine? Walking on water? Quieting storms? etc..you're picking and choosing there

[crowTrobot 2]

There's no doubt they believe this crap. The problem is they may as well believe in flying pigs, the Easter Bunny and the FSM. This stuff has no basis in scripture or in science. I posted a couple links in the Young-Earth Creationism thread that might interest you. There are several articles - from a Christian source - that deal with the subject here.

as far as actual science is concerned you (and your fake-science propaganda website that does absolutely nothing to meld christian belief and science except in the minds of ignorant christians) might as well believe in flying pigs as in the divinity of jesus.science invalidates ALL biblical claims of miraculous acts of god/jesus, OT or NT, in the exact same way it invalidates belief in creation of man without evolutionary descent, in the exact same way it invalidates belief in a young earth & global flood, in the exact same way it invalidates greek mythology, in the exact same way it invalidates scientology mormonism hinduism islam buddhism shinto etc, in the exact same way it invalidates FSM & flying pigs. when it comes to parsing those things with modern science/logic they are ALL the same. as far as science is concerned christianity requires no less faith to believe in than ANY of those things.the fact that you are a christian who is intellectually offended by specific beliefs that differ from yours - because those beliefs are contradicted by science - only proves how delusional you are. no offense

[semaj550 0]

as far as actual science is concerned you (and your fake-science propaganda website that does absolutely nothing to meld christian belief and science except in the minds of ignorant christians) might as well believe in flying pigs as in the divinity of jesus.science invalidates ALL biblical claims of miraculous acts of god/jesus, OT or NT, in the exact same way it invalidates belief in creation of man without evolutionary descent, in the exact same way it invalidates belief in a young earth & global flood, in the exact same way it invalidates greek mythology, in the exact same way it invalidates scientology mormonism hinduism islam buddhism shinto etc, in the exact same way it invalidates FSM & flying pigs. when it comes to parsing those things with modern science/logic they are ALL the same. as far as science is concerned christianity requires no less faith to believe in than ANY of those things.the fact that you are a christian who is intellectually offended by specific beliefs that differ from yours - because those beliefs are contradicted by science - only proves how delusional you are. no offense

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[timwakefield 68]

science invalidates ALL biblical claims of miraculous acts of god/jesus, OT or NT, in the exact same way it invalidates belief in creation of man without evolutionary descent, in the exact same way it invalidates belief in a young earth & global flood, in the exact same way it invalidates greek mythology, in the exact same way it invalidates scientology mormonism hinduism islam buddhism shinto etc, in the exact same way it invalidates FSM & flying pigs. when it comes to parsing those things with modern science/logic they are ALL the same. as far as science is concerned christianity requires no less faith to believe in than ANY of those things.

Actually that is untrue. Buddhism, for one, actually agrees with modern science, including quantum physics. There is no single canonical text like the Bible that exists for Buddhism, and different forms have different beliefs, but the basic tenets of Buddhism are not invalidated by modern science; quite the opposite in fact. Probably the most important text from Buddhism is the Dhammapada, which is considered to be the words of Buddha. Here's how it starts: (trans. John Richards)"Mind precedes its objects. They are mind-governed and mind-made. To speak or act with a defiled mind is to draw pain after oneself, like a wheel behind the feet of the animal drawing it. 1Mind precedes its objects. They are mind-governed and mind-made. To speak or act with a peaceful mind, is to draw happiness after oneself, like an inseparable shadow. 2 "Quite a bit different from "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Buddhists do not believe in a creator god).Also, regarding FSM, if you do not accept the embrace of His noodly appendage He will smite thee.

[crowTrobot 2]

Actually that is untrue. Buddhism, for one, actually agrees with modern science, including quantum physics. There is no single canonical text like the Bible that exists for Buddhism, and different forms have different beliefs, but the basic tenets of Buddhism are not invalidated by modern science; quite the opposite in fact.

buddhism may not postulate a god or the concept of an individual soul in the christian sense, but its tenets do still include stuff that transcends the physical world - things are still connected (events, past/future "lives") in a metaphysical way somehow.i guess you could say things SEEM to be connected in a non-physical way in QM, but science currently doesn't have a clue what the specific ontological meaning of QM really is because of our extremely limited perspective. so i don't think you can properly say any specific religious belief agrees with it at this point. buddhism may "agree" with someone's philosophical interpretation of QM, but it doesn't agree with QM in any scientific sense.

[Loismustdie 0]

Gozo you're right.That was the EXACT purpose of Jesus performing miracles, to do something so astounding to people that they would think twice about him and say, 'hmm, maybe there IS something special about this guy'. He performed miracles to separate himself from the other numerous 'prophets' of his day. Or so that is what Christianity teaches.Lois, Just because this brand of Christianity isn't the same brand you subscribe to does not mean it isn't widespread in many other areas across the country, Kiser covered this enough, but just to reiterate...I live in NC and here, as well as the farther south you go this is the most predominant 'type' of evangelical christianity.Semaj,These people get their 'story' from the exact same book you get 'your' story from. It is the way they interprate it. Just as you have criticized non-christians in this forum for changing the words of the bible around, you are now doing the same with ACTUAL christians. You say the words in the Bible mean one thing, and the people in the video are saying another. Who is right? You think you are, but why?

What I am saying- again,for the 600th time- is it's not christianity as described in the bible. These are not ACTUAL christians- and the scriptures bear that out. Many will say "Lord,lord have I in thy name I have done many wonderous works and he will say,Depart from me, I never knew you." This is not what Jesus taught- drive through prayer? What for? What is that person going to pray for that has anything to even do with you? They don't even know you. Wooden crosses everywhere? Thats nothing more that idolatry, and really kind of sick. The cross is not a symbol for Jesus- how you live your life should be. Where is the humility in driving a truck proclaiming this and that and telling everybody they are going to hell? There is none. The only way to really convert somebody is to let them into your life,show them how you live,not how loud you can yell. Once again,this is not real christianity. These are not ACTUAL christians- Satan knows that you would like them to be, that is for damn sure. Satan eats this stuff up- he knows the light that it casts on people who actually live it right.

[jmkiser 0]

What I am saying- again,for the 600th time- is it's not christianity as described in the bible. These are not ACTUAL christians- and the scriptures bear that out. Many will say "Lord,lord have I in thy name I have done many wonderous works and he will say,Depart from me, I never knew you." This is not what Jesus taught- drive through prayer? What for? What is that person going to pray for that has anything to even do with you? They don't even know you. Wooden crosses everywhere? Thats nothing more that idolatry, and really kind of sick. The cross is not a symbol for Jesus- how you live your life should be. Where is the humility in driving a truck proclaiming this and that and telling everybody they are going to hell? There is none. The only way to really convert somebody is to let them into your life,show them how you live,not how loud you can yell. Once again,this is not real christianity. These are not ACTUAL christians- Satan knows that you would like them to be, that is for damn sure. Satan eats this stuff up- he knows the light that it casts on people who actually live it right.

Don't worry... we know you think this and expect these thoughts from you

[herokid7 0]

Water into wine? Walking on water? Quieting storms? etc..you're picking and choosing there

Water into wine: He was saving his mother from embarassment. Walking on water: He was trying to teach his disciples about faith. Quieting storms: His disciples were fearing for their lives. Helping people.