Kwest4chipz 0 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 My brother had his bachelor party this last Saturday, and we ended up at the Horseshoe in Council Bluffs. I've played a couple live tournaments and wanted to give the live cash games a whirl. I bought in short for a 100, and sat at a 1/3 NLHE table, waited for the blind and won the first hand. After that it was a downhill slide with virtually no cards coming to me, I tried to limp in with some marginal but my timing was all off or I had been pegged as dead money as they were promptly reraised more than I cared to a see a flop for. Most of the time ended up being, observing the table and figuring out what each person was likely pushing with. By the time I think I had it all figured out, a new face had sat at the table and was hyper-aggressive. He sat with 100 i think, and within 5 hands had a stack near 800. He was getting great hands and flops, but the curious thing was that people were just falling over each other calling his raises and paying him off. The best hands I had in the whole 3 hour session were AQ which i was reraised off of by AK. 66 which I raised 12, 4x the blinds and had half the table call, blanked the flop so i dumped it. I was completely card dead otherwise. Late in the game a guy sat with 200 next to me, and declared he didn't know what he was doing really. This guy was calling everything, and hitting nonetheless. One hand i had like 9 7 in the BB checking my option a 9 flopped but two overcards and "new guy" and "100-800 in 5" were the only 2 besides me in the hand and they were betting pretty strong so i dumped it, "new guy" told me after the hand he didn't have jack, but he got the other guy to fold. One golden opportunity missed. I'm down to 50 bucks now, i got a massive headache because I stopped drinking beer when I started playing poker and it culminated into a lack of beer headache. I figured I had scouted enough and might as well save the 50 for another night when I was feeling a little better. One more hand tho, UTG, with 2 4 diamonds. I limped in just to see the flop with every intention of dumping it to a raise or if I didn't connect with the flop. The flop came 10 J Q diamonds. I got "new guy" and another fish in the hand with me. Fish checks, New guy bets 10. Now I'm pretty sure he only has a pair. I can either call here or push. I decide to push, and just dodge diamonds to the river. Hopefully getting one of these 2 to fold in the process. I push the rest of my chips in 35 dollars. Both of them call, I'm thinking "fish" probably has a high diamond, and "new guy" has a pair. The turn comes 10c so maybe one has a set cuz they are betting and calling still. I'm still in good shape as long as its not j10 or Q10 i'm up against. The river comes Q spades. And now i'm know i'm sunk. "new guy" bets and "fish" folds, probably missed his diamond, i'm not sure what he had, but based on prior hands i'm pretty sure he was drawing to a 4 card flush or strt flush. Anyways, it didn't matter, cuz what the "new guy" was pushing with...made me wish I had brought a lil more money. He shows Q6 no diamond. All the way to the river with a possible strt flush/royal flush/any flush. His hand was beat by AQ KQ JQ Q10 etc, and yet he still called. I was a little steamed, as I should have walked out of there up for the night, but ended up getting donkey rivered. I was more steamed at the fact that I couldn't rebuy into a juicy table though. I will go back, and with a little adjustment and tighter play, I think I might be able to come out at the very least doubled up. These tables seemed very soft and easily exploitable. My biggest mistake was trying to play marginal hands that needed lots of help from the flop and not being able to raise people off hands. Bluffing at this table was suicidal as there were alot of stacks that liked calling "just to see". Everyone of those bigger stacks got felted. Except the guy that cruised to 800 then called it a night. Patience is all I need I think on that kind of table, I tried to make something happen with the crappy cards I was getting and ultimately paid the price. If I had just waited for some quality starters and strong flops, wow, ez money. I was sincerely surprised at how bad the players were at a live game. The guy that rocketed to 800 made it very clear how easy it would be, I thought he was pushing with anything...but everytime he raised, he had the goods and even when he bet strong, he'd have at least 2 callers. It was surreal, but a valuable lesson for the next time I brave live play. Playing with a headache wasn't exactly brilliant either, i got more antsy and irritable..I can't wait to go back though. Link to post Share on other sites
RabidTortuga 0 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Stay in school. Link to post Share on other sites
Kwest4chipz 0 Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 Kiddo, i'm way past school. Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 double post 3 mins apart?neat. Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Kiddo, i'm way past school.Go back.sw. Link to post Share on other sites
Kwest4chipz 0 Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 No reason to go back to school. Playing live for the first time was recreational, not a career choice. Anybody that plays live in bigger casino's or bigger cities? I understand that 1/3 is peanuts compared to what alot of the live players here play, but I was curious about whether the competition in big casino towns is alot tougher. Link to post Share on other sites
Bender24 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 from my experiences at the casino, that is the type of play i have ran into on almost every occasion. the key word is PATIENCE. obviously if you can see a cheap flop with a marginal hand by all means why not. but i find that playing very tight and aggressive, you are still going to get callers when you bump up the pots. (i honestly think that no one at the casino i play at has any idea of table image, because they just dont pay any attention when they are not in a pot) just take your time, try not to play too many marginal hands and dont try to be too fancy at the table, most of them have no idea anyway. and you are going to get unlucky sometimes, thats just the way it is when people wont lay down a hand. but if youre smart just realize that the odds are with you so dont get upset, in the long run it will pay off. good luckps the game that i play is 2-10 limit with $1 and $2 blinds so in general bluffing hardly ever works. just a small casino game that is pretty easy to beat with a ton of patience Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Don't mind the haters.Playing live is a blast. Enjoy it! In fact... I think I will go to my local casino right ... now! Link to post Share on other sites
Kwest4chipz 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 from my experiences at the casino, that is the type of play i have ran into on almost every occasion. the key word is PATIENCE. obviously if you can see a cheap flop with a marginal hand by all means why not. but i find that playing very tight and aggressive, you are still going to get callers when you bump up the pots. (i honestly think that no one at the casino i play at has any idea of table image, because they just dont pay any attention when they are not in a pot) just take your time, try not to play too many marginal hands and dont try to be too fancy at the table, most of them have no idea anyway. and you are going to get unlucky sometimes, thats just the way it is when people wont lay down a hand. but if youre smart just realize that the odds are with you so dont get upset, in the long run it will pay off. good luckps the game that i play is 2-10 limit with $1 and $2 blinds so in general bluffing hardly ever works. just a small casino game that is pretty easy to beat with a ton of patienceYeah I guess when I sat down I expected at least 1 or 2 people at the table to be really tough competition. All the things you said, are exactly what I did wrong. I didn't bother telling Q6 how poor his call was, cuz i'm hoping he will feel that he played exceptionally well and I'll see him at a table in the future. Thanks for the rundown on your experience with casinos, where do you play if I might ask? Link to post Share on other sites
Kwest4chipz 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 Don't mind the haters.Playing live is a blast. Enjoy it! In fact... I think I will go to my local casino right ... now!Lol, they don't bother me, and I wish I could go as well. I got the fever. I don't know about daytime vs. the time I was playing at. Seemed like 12am was a real good time on a Saturday night though. Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 No reason to go back to school. Playing live for the first time was recreational, not a career choice. Anybody that plays live in bigger casino's or bigger cities? I understand that 1/3 is peanuts compared to what alot of the live players here play, but I was curious about whether the competition in big casino towns is alot tougher.you can play poker live?? Link to post Share on other sites
Kwest4chipz 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 you can play poker live??Yah, the recipe is, 1 part casino, 1 part poker table, 100-200 sprinkles of chips....and voila! live poker. Link to post Share on other sites
Bender24 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 i play at a small casino in minnesota. Link to post Share on other sites
Kwest4chipz 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 i play at a small casino in minnesota.Ahh, my other brother is in Brainerd. The floorman tried to get me to play 3/6 limit saying it was cheaper...but I'm thinking that if limit is anything like online limit, it could get expensive really fast..You play strictly limit? Sometime when I'm up there maybe I go to a poker room in Minn. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 My brother had his bachelor party this last Saturday, and we ended up at the Horseshoe in Council Bluffs. I've played a couple live tournaments and wanted to give the live cash games a whirl. I bought in short for a 100, and sat at a 1/3 NLHE table, waited for the blind and won the first hand. After that it was a downhill slide with virtually no cards coming to me, I tried to limp in with some marginal [hands] but my timing was all off or I had been pegged as dead money as they were promptly reraised more than I cared to a see a flop for.If you're going to play short-stacked, you shouldn't be playing speculative hands much. When you limp from early position you have to consider that someone will often raise. You just can't get paid off for enough money to justify the preflop investment.It's best for you to fold the speculative hands and push hard with your big aces and medium to big pairs. Link to post Share on other sites
Bender24 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 as far as i know, there is no "no limit" allowed in minnesota. i played 3/6 the first time ever played poker in a casino, i quickly learned that you shouldnt buy in short ever. i do like the 2-10 game though. Link to post Share on other sites
Kwest4chipz 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 If you're going to play short-stacked, you shouldn't be playing speculative hands much. When you limp from early position you have to consider that someone will often raise. You just can't get paid off for enough money to justify the preflop investment.It's best for you to fold the speculative hands and push hard with your big aces and medium to big pairs.solid advice, and I realized my mistakes afterwards...The key was patience and early I had it, when the headache set in, not so much...and I should have saved the rest of my stack for time when I was feeling better. Buying in short, I should have stuck to monsters, and just played out of the blinds. Link to post Share on other sites
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