Us Politics For Betting (Not Talking About Politics)

[FCP Bob 1,312]

Looking at the Facebook posts made by Russians...I'd be pretty embarrassed to be someone who fell for all of it hook line and sinker. Pretty sad that Russia had a good idea that a large enough population in the US would be as gullible and misguided.

 

always remember that the average person is a moron and that 50% of the population is dumber than that person

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

always remember that the average person is a moron and that 50% of the population is dumber than that person

 

Ghost of Carlin

[iBeaver 409]

 

 

The key is that you didn’t see them all together (though about 1/3 of adult voters would see no problem with that either). The problem is that even the semi-borderline people could see one at a certain time and it might sway them a little.

 

Though the whole Russia thing is basically a red herring. Jack Probosiec has probably orchestrated multiple absolutely fake stunts and is still beloved by 30-40% of Americans. Republicans are making no noise about the absolutely insane lies that have nothing to do with Russia but are coming from senior Republican leaders and Fox News on a daily basis.

 

It’s been clear for 10+ years that Republican voters simply see no value in truthfulness or an ability to accept something they’d prefer not to be true. All the Russian operation did was show just how unqualified those statements are, how extreme that could be taken too, and how extreme a reaction would have to be to contradict it. Think about how much time, effort, notice went into countering something as explicitly and plainly false as the birtherism - there’s just no way a steady stream of lies could be countered In that way, and since so many would happily believe something they want to be true, you can just lie all day knowing that only the most enormous will be countered and people’s worldviews will be fully shaped by the lies.

 

That's a lot of text in response to a troll post.

[mrdannyg 274]

 

 

That's a lot of text in response to a troll post.

 

Lol sometimes the thoughts just flow like poorly-mixed powdered juice

[digitalmonkey 929]

Another day, another shooting...

 

Thoughts, prayers, white light and rainbow unicorn kisses to those affected.

 

I haven't heard anything on the shooter's skin pigmentation so unsure if it's a terrorist attack.

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

O/U on how fast this one is forgotten? 3 days?

 

we'll be right back to MAGA very soon.

its ok, stock market is up, we're all good!!!!!

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

kids in a church.

[iBeaver 409]

O/U on how fast this one is forgotten? 3 days?

 

we'll be right back to MAGA very soon.

its ok, stock market is up, we're all good!!!!!

 

If a white guy did it. Be forgotten by tomorrow evening. If brown then 4 days.

[iBeaver 409]

White male in his 20's. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[digitalmonkey 929]

Insane!

 

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/local/article/Map-shows-35-new-mass-shootings-since-Oct-1-12333753.php

[mrdannyg 274]

Other than having guns, wonder when we are going to start talking about that the common thread in mass murders is more likely to be past service in the US military rather than religious beliefs.

[digitalmonkey 929]

Other than having guns, wonder when we are going to start talking about that the common thread in mass murders is more likely to be past service in the US military rather than religious beliefs.

 

You mean the military creates killers then subjects them to traumatic stress and then discards them when they've served their purpose?

 

Crazy talk!

[digitalmonkey 929]

Other than having guns, wonder when we are going to start talking about that the common thread in mass murders is more likely to be past service in the US military rather than religious beliefs.

 

https://www.sapiens.org/column/conflicted/mass-killers-military-service/

[mrdannyg 274]

Not sure about “creating killers”, but it does seem like they underestimate the stress just being in the military causes. I’d say they don’t provide adequate support, but to provide adequate mental health support to every military member would be impossible, so maybe they need to look at how much military they really need and how much stress they really need to be under.

 

This is all hypothetical of course - if there’s one thing Americans feel like they need more than guns, it’s an enormous hyper-stressed military force.

[digitalmonkey 929]

I'm not sure how you're not sure about "creating killers."

 

http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/THE-SCIENCE-OF-CREATING-KILLERS-Human-2514123.php

 

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/04/ptsd_and_violence_by_veterans_increased_murder_rates_related_to_war_experience.html

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

I'm glad to see we are talking about mental health, at least in some respect. I feel like guns sometimes get a little too much of the 'blame' and not enough is being done to consider the mental health of these people, especially those in the military.

While the gun lobby and anyone who defends them are nothing but scum, you have to at least accept that its almost too late at this point to do much about the gun ownership issue in the US, and wonder the whys of it all a little bit more than the how.

[Dubey 1,035]

I don't think it's too late for gun control in the USA, hypothetically. It would be a monumental task, but not impossible to at least severely improve things.

[iBeaver 409]

Things can be done. I had this conversation with a co worker after Vegas who said the usual idiotic argument "if a bad guy wants a gun, he'll just get one illegally". I hate that argument and anyone who uses it literally dumb. Why have a speed limit, people some people are going to speed anyway. Why have laws at all? They usually can't answer that because again, they're dumb.

 

Let's say new gun control legislation gets passed making it harder to get a gun. Let's take 10 guys who want to go on a shooting spree. Each of them has a red flag. Some are on a terrorist watchlist. Some have a documented history of mental illness (violent), some have been arrested for domestic abuse. So they can't legally purchase a gun. For the sake of argument for the dumb people let's say 8 of them have the ability and wherewithal to get a weapon illegally. The simple fact is that not every crazy person has that connection. Ok so 8 people do their thing and 2 people stay home. You've just reduced the amount of mass shootings by 20%. I'm good with that.

 

It's impossible to completely stop them. I know the idiots think that's the end goal but well, they are idiots. No one also will ban guns all together. It will never happen. It's just their go to freak out.

 

I don't care if we reduce the mass shootings by 1%. That 1% could be my child or your child. That's a win when you can save one innocent life. If you can't agree with that then you're just garbage. I'll never understand law abiding citizens who worry about bad guys NOT getting a gun.

 

I'm tired of being nice snd respectful to people with idiotic opinions on this issue. *shrug*

 

And yes gun control is not the only solution. It's funny when R's try and blame it all on mental illness while at the same time they are gutting the funding for mental health.

 

 

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

Just to be clear guys, I said "almost" too late for gun control. It sounds like you both caught that, but I still wanted to be more clear on my feelings.

I am definitely not saying gun control is useless, and in fact, side with Steve, in that at least some gun control will derail some of these cases. I just think at some point the other elephants in the room need to be addressed too, not just the one we all see and talk about.

[mrdannyg 274]

I think one area that the crazies are correct about is something you guys implied - the U.S. would be very late in the game as far as gun control. If I wanted a big dangerous semi-automatic in Canada, illegally, I wouldn’t even know where to go. If we made them illegal in the States, you’d still have millions kicking around in every shed in the southern states (just every other shed on the coasts). Obviously making it harder is better and there would be real results, but my goodness are they so far down the rabbit hole, it will take generations for them to even be within range of sanity.

[mrdannyg 274]

I'm not sure how you're not sure about "creating killers."

 

http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/THE-SCIENCE-OF-CREATING-KILLERS-Human-2514123.php

 

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/04/ptsd_and_violence_by_veterans_increased_murder_rates_related_to_war_experience.html

 

Well you certainly can create killers, but if you look at the actual army roles of the killers, I don’t think most of them were being actively trained to maximize that aspect. These aren’t exactly black ops guys who are going nuts (which doubly raises the questions of why you need so many 10s of thousands of people ‘combat-ready’ during a time where there are no actual goddamn wars)

[gruven 530]

I think one area that the crazies are correct about is something you guys implied - the U.S. would be very late in the game as far as gun control. If I wanted a big dangerous semi-automatic in Canada, illegally, I wouldn’t even know where to go. If we made them illegal in the States, you’d still have millions kicking around in every shed in the southern states (just every other shed on the coasts). Obviously making it harder is better and there would be real results, but my goodness are they so far down the rabbit hole, it will take generations for them to even be within range of sanity.

when Australia decided to ban most weapons except hunting guns after a mass shooting, they instituted amnesty and reward programs that were so popular that they now do it on a regular basis. The latest one collected 50,000 weapons. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/asia/australia-gun-amnesty/index.html

[digitalmonkey 929]

It's "OK to be white" story.

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1539035359510564&id=982661921814580

[Dubey 1,035]

Poor white people. We have it so hard.

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

Poor white people. We have it so hard.

 

Actually, I think a lot of white people have it VERY hard.

I don't count myself in that group that was born into a tough life, but I'm not so sure we should be painting everyone of one particular race/colour with one brush, do you?