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The logo on the floor is even more idiotic.   How about if you don't want people to step on a symbol you don't put a giant copy of it on the floor? Lol

he wouldn't have made Team USA if American either because he doesn't fit well with their other players. He would be skating too fast and leaving the other players behind and we all know that players s

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Mcdavid is probably top 5 forward in the NHL right now. But he wouldn't have made Team Canada if eligible because they are stubborn as hell

 

he wouldn't have made Team USA if American either because he doesn't fit well with their other players. He would be skating too fast and leaving the other players behind and we all know that players should all be balanced and not have this big gap between them. It's like driving on the highway where if everybody is driving the same speed it's good but a big speed differential is bad.

 

Oh, that and he doesn't have enough grit or character or Torts might make him cry or something because he's a kid.

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he wouldn't have made Team USA if American either because he doesn't fit well with their other players. He would be skating too fast and leaving the other players behind and we all know that players should all be balanced and not have this big gap between them. It's like driving on the highway where if everybody is driving the same speed it's good but a big speed differential is bad.

 

Oh, that and he doesn't have enough grit or character or Torts might make him cry or something because he's a kid.

you know what's crazy, re 81? Someone that he's friendly with from the US management group called him in November. They told him that he was outside of the roster group but if he played well he would be added. As the playoffs started, he was told that he was still off the roster, but if he could show that he could play well in big games, he would be added. When they announce the first 8 forwards, he was told he wasn't going to be on the team at all. Finally, after the playoffs, he was told that everyone in the group fought to have him on the team, but one guy categorically refused to have him. You can guess who that is.

The tips he was getting off the record from someone he was friendly with were the only contact he had with the team. At no time in this entire process did he get one official phone call from Team USA. If someone hadn't been telling him off the record, he would have never heard a word from them. Seems kinda dysfunctional, no?

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If that is the case than shame on Lombardi Burke and other management staff for letting this happen

tough spot. Burke was the inside guy. Lol. What do you do if your already announced coach says 'put him on the team and I'll bench him'?
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yup. But what do you do if you know your coach hates a player and even though he doesn't say it, you know he's going to use him as minimally as possible? You know that happens all the time in the NHL. A player gets a new coach and goes from 6 mins of ice time to 18. Or vice versa. So Tortorella is hugely vocal about not wanting a player. As the GM, what do you do?
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yup. But what do you do if you know your coach hates a player and even though he doesn't say it, you know he's going to use him as minimally as possible? You know that happens all the time in the NHL. A player gets a new coach and goes from 6 mins of ice time to 18. Or vice versa. So Tortorella is hugely vocal about not wanting a player. As the GM, what do you do?

 

yeah, I'm not going to pretend this is an easy situation for Burke. He probably had no choice. I'm a little surprised, since he is an Alpha, that he didn't just put Kessel on the team anyway just to be stubborn.

 

His big mistake was hiring Torts in the first place.

 

 

as an aside, for all the flak Kessel gets for being soft, his performance in important games throughout his career is beyond stellar. PLayoffs with Boston and Toronto, Olympic tournament, then his Conn Smythe worthy performance this year. It is incomprehensible that he isn't on that roster. This makes me want USA to lose even more (and I usually semi-cheer for USA in international tournaments as long as they aren't playing Canada)

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as an aside, for all the flak Kessel gets for being soft, his performance in important games throughout his career is beyond stellar. PLayoffs with Boston and Toronto, Olympic tournament, then his Conn Smythe worthy performance this year. It is incomprehensible that he isn't on that roster. This makes me want USA to lose even more (and I usually semi-cheer for USA in international tournaments as long as they aren't playing Canada)

agreed on both points, but especially the first one regarding Kessel and his play in "big" games. Before I might have brushed it off as a small sample, but now its a significant number and a contribution so great that it would be laughable to suggest he is not someone you would want in important games.

 

The whole thing regarding USA is just puzzling to me frankly, I dont get how a guy like Tort would have that much power and how someone would be silly enough to give that much to him. I still dont even understand how CBJ management (who I think is one of the better ones), thought Torts was a good hire. Strange all around, maybe Im missing something with the guy, maybe he really is a great coach, to some.

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I love Tortorella. If you are going to hire a coach you let him run it the way he wants. That's the bottom line.

 

If he fails at the tourney then it's on him.

 

Before last season Kessel stock had plummeted. He had a very good season and playoffs. But certain people don't like him. Including Torts.

 

Should he be on the team based on history and recent play. Sure. But if the coach is going to coach his game it's up to him.

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I respect the right of the coach to make a decision as well, so long as it's related to reality. But this BS of wanting to play a heavy game has never, EVER worked in international hockey. Subban, I get. He's a risk/reward defenseman and Team Canada feels that they have enough firepower to not need his with the accompanying risk. Build a shutdown D and let your forwards score. But leaving a scorer thats done nothing but excel in the biggest games off your roster because you don't like his game? That's just dumb.

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I respect the right of the coach to make a decision as well, so long as it's related to reality. But this BS of wanting to play a heavy game has never, EVER worked in international hockey. Subban, I get. He's a risk/reward defenseman and Team Canada feels that they have enough firepower to not need his with the accompanying risk. Build a shutdown D and let your forwards score. But leaving a scorer thats done nothing but excel in the biggest games off your roster because you don't like his game? That's just dumb.

 

Makes sense. But I think until The USA gets blown out of tourney we shouldn't make judgements. What if they win it all?

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I have too many rooting interests in this tourney so I need to make a bet to make me root for one team over another.

 

I naturally like Canada. I love to see the USA win. But my favorite team seems to be Team NA

 

I don't really hate any team. I even love to see the Russians win.

 

I think I need to bet

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I don't think we have to worry about that

 

You are probably right but it's a type of structure that any team getting hot and maybe great goaltending can win. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if any of the teams made the final. With the exception of team Euro Trash

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I love Tortorella. If you are going to hire a coach you let him run it the way he wants. That's the bottom line.

 

If he fails at the tourney then it's on him.

 

Before last season Kessel stock had plummeted. He had a very good season and playoffs. But certain people don't like him. Including Torts.

 

Should he be on the team based on history and recent play. Sure. But if the coach is going to coach his game it's up to him.

 

But isnt the GM the one in charge of who the players on the team are, isnt he the final word? Sure you can get your coachs input, but I am guessing in most of these circumstances, its not the coach who decides who is and who is not on the team. They may decide how the player is used, but its hard to imagine a scenario where a GM checks on the coach for every move he makes.

 

Also, I would bet anything that Babcock would actually use Subban.

 

And lastly, the Canadian D does not wow me. Im not amazed at the names when I saw Muzzin, Bouwmeester, Pietrangelo, Vlasic...great D, not the best of the best in the league in my opinion, like some of the fwds are. I dont know, I am not awe struck at all.

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But isnt the GM the one in charge of who the players on the team are, isnt he the final word? Sure you can get your coachs input, but I am guessing in most of these circumstances, its not the coach who decides who is and who is not on the team. They may decide how the player is used, but its hard to imagine a scenario where a GM checks on the coach for every move he makes.

 

Also, I would bet anything that Babcock would actually use Subban.

 

And lastly, the Canadian D does not wow me. Im not amazed at the names when I saw Muzzin, Bouwmeester, Pietrangelo, Vlasic...great D, not the best of the best in the league in my opinion, like some of the fwds are. I dont know, I am not awe struck at all.

 

Good points. However. You didn't mention Burns , Doughty and Weber. Burns and Doughty are amazing

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What did you guys think of the anthem thing? As much as I dislike torts, his view carries more weight because his son is in the US army. However, I fundamentally disagree with him because he's punishing someone for exercising the right of freedom of expression.

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