Zach6668 513 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Serge <3's hyperbole. It's barely even an issue in the hard cap NHL. How many terrible deals has Philly been able to move? Hell, Clarkson was traded... Lol Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Well Ryan Howard's contract turned out to be terrible, but I'm not sure it crippled the Phillies. I don't know... Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 The worst ones I can think of were BJ Ryan, Burnette, Romero, and Wells. But not the end of the world with any of those contracts. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I'm sorry Serge, but you always say THIS and I dont know what you are referring to. Especially in baseball, how would it cripple the Jays? Can you give an example of a team in baseball that was crippled by a contract and no longer able to properly compete? Hell the Jays traded away Vernon Wells' awful deal. Its no different than Rogers just arbitrarily setting their own budgets in the future at whatever number they please, which they do. If anything, after last year, the budget should be sky high and money should be next to no object to win. As much as you like to believe that there is no cap in baseball, therefore you can throw $100s millions without worrying about it , the team still has a budget. I also believe it's harder for Rogers to justify to shareholders losing money on an investment , rather than some rich billionaire owner. Rogers has a budget. Sure that budget will increase if it needs to , they still have to make sound financial decisions. If not in an ideal world David Price, Clayton Kershaw would be starting for the Jays in April. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 new reports are Bautista is looking for longer than 5 years and more than $150m, but less than $30m cap hit. I can't imagine even he is ambitious enough to seek a contract that pays him past the age of 42, so my guess is he is asking for 7 years/$175 million, basically Robinson Cano/Albert Pujols/Miggy Cabrera money and term (all those guys signed through their age 42 season at $24m+) Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 yes, fully aware teams have a budget Serge, hence why I noted as a fan we have no idea what they will set their budget at every year. Its no different than Rogers just arbitrarily setting their own budgets in the future at whatever number they please, which they do. If they dont sign Bautista, do you think that means they will for sure use that 30mill a year on something else? I dont think we know that, so as far as the roster is concerned, it may be "crippled" by Rogers themselves, even if they don't resign him. In baseball, you dont get crippled by bad deals. You get crippled by your owners budget, whatever it may be. Doesnt mean money=success, but your argument was that this might cripple the Jays, and it wont. There is no cap, so its entirely up to the ownership to spend as they please or spend nothing at all no matter how few bad deals they have on the books. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 That's interesting, and I'm a bit surprised thatBautista would want a longer term. Not disappointed though. Difference between him and all of those guys (I have not double-checked this) is that they were all a couple years younger when they signed their deals. It is one thing to sign a deal paying a guy $24M for his age-42 season when he is 32 and that's the price you get for having him for $30M in his age-33 year...it's another when the deal onyl starts when he is 35-36. He is going to have to take enormous discounts if he wants a deal that long - I would guess considering the length of time in the future and other factors, most teams would assign the last years at close to a 0 value. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Also, it is worth pointing out that while Bautista certainly seems to love baseball, he is also a thoughtful intelligent guy who obviously has interests outside of just playing. You've gotta wonder if other recently-retired guys might suggest that he himself would regret signing a 7-year deal starting when he is 35. Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Also, it is worth pointing out that while Bautista certainly seems to love baseball, he is also a thoughtful intelligent guy who obviously has interests outside of just playing. You've gotta wonder if other recently-retired guys might suggest that he himself would regret signing a 7-year deal starting when he is 35. I am hoping he will be on the MBL network when he's done playing. Him and Pedro Martinez would make a great show, both are extremely honest and baseball knowledge is off the charts. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I am hoping he will be on the MBL network when he's done playing. Him and Pedro Martinez would make a great show, both are extremely honest and baseball knowledge is off the charts. Pedro is awesome Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Pedro is awesome My memory of Pedro is him throwing an old man to the ground 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 My memory of Pedro is him throwing an old man to the ground Watch MLB tonight with Reynolds and Pedro, they are very informative. On kinda the same topic, excited to have Dan Shulman back calling Jays games. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Sort of cool watching the Jays game in the poker room today. 80 degrees outside. Summer is here!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 Anyone heard of this kid before? http://www.lohud.com...debut/81335846/ http://nypost.com/2016/03/04/why-the-name-james-kaprielian-represents-the-new-yankee-way/ Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 Cubs are highest win total at 93.5 over -135. I Also checked the HR bets on bet365 and its across the majors not just NL. I emailed bet365 to get me odds for Kyle Schwarber as he's not available. I will let you guys know when I get a number. Here's the rest of the bets. http://www.bet365.com/home/FlashGen4/WebConsoleApp.asp?&cb=1032645746 Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,311 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Cubs are highest win total at 93.5 over -135. I Also checked the HR bets on bet365 and its across the majors not just NL. I emailed bet365 to get me odds for Kyle Schwarber as he's not available. I will let you guys know when I get a number. Here's the rest of the bets. http://www.bet365.co...?&cb=1032645746 your bets don't show because they are inside your account Can you copy and paste or take a screen shot and post it ? Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Cubs are going to be good for sure, but not sure I trust the pitching staff totally yet. They could easily out score the Jays (and everyone else) though, just so solid top to bottom and some decent versatility too Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 Cubs are going to be good for sure, but not sure I trust the pitching staff totally yet. They could easily out score the Jays (and everyone else) though, just so solid top to bottom and some decent versatility too I got them to add Shwarber at 50-1. Dear Sir, Thank you for your email. Following a trading review Kyle Schwarber has been added to site with a price of 50/1. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 nice Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafs 142 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Just bought tickets to the games in Montreal 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Read this article last month, thought I would share it here. Nothing like a pissed of Tulo with something to prove. I need to contact bet365 again and ask to add him to MVP odds list. He's 50-1 to win HR title but not on the MVP bet list. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/02/29/troy-tulowitzki-still-seething-over-rockie-exit-denver/81085588/ Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I like that idea. As a SS, he'll get "position" credit even if he's only average at his position (as he should), and in that lineup, he'll get enough runs and RBI if he has a great season to get MVP consideration. Pretty unlikely he'll actually be a better overall player than Donaldson considering defense and games played, but since he'll have the "veteran leader" thing going, I think he's a good longshot. He'd be a better candidate if he hit leadoff, and I'm hoping the Jays will end up with him there, but sounds like they're planning on a terrible choice like Saunders or Pillar instead. Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Read this article last month, thought I would share it here. Nothing like a pissed of Tulo with something to prove. I need to contact bet365 again and ask to add him to MVP odds list. He's 50-1 to win HR title but not on the MVP bet list. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/02/29/troy-tulowitzki-still-seething-over-rockie-exit-denver/81085588/ I knew he was mad but not that mad Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 I like that idea. As a SS, he'll get "position" credit even if he's only average at his position (as he should), and in that lineup, he'll get enough runs and RBI if he has a great season to get MVP consideration. Pretty unlikely he'll actually be a better overall player than Donaldson considering defense and games played, but since he'll have the "veteran leader" thing going, I think he's a good longshot. He'd be a better candidate if he hit leadoff, and I'm hoping the Jays will end up with him there, but sounds like they're planning on a terrible choice like Saunders or Pillar instead. A free swinging Pillar makes zero sense leading off. I thought it was a joke at first, the guy swings at ball 6 at some at bats! Hopefully Gibby see's something that we don't. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Gibby sees a fast player and therefore a leadoff hitter. Pillar is a perfect #9 hitter. In unrelated news, I think this guy is a solid late-round sleeper. He won't be Mike Trout, but I think he could be a very solid, cheap, all-around guy in roto leagues: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/7145/tyler-naquin Link to post Share on other sites
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