A Congressional Insider On Why The U.s. Political System Is Broke

[FCP Bob 1,312]

I would have been a Nixon-Reagan-Bush 1 Republican, the current party no way.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-28/hero-reagan-s-compromise-would-collide-with-tea-party-certitude.html

[Tiltinagain 973]

http://www.bloomberg...-certitude.html

In my opinion, one of the great things about Reagan was what this article uses to try to discredit his Presidency. He had a plan for what he wanted to get done and knew that he could not get it without compromise. Unlike the politicians of today who's seemingly largest mission is to discredit the other party, Reagan worked to get things done. He worked with both parties, giving on things he didn't particularly love in order to get closer to his ultimate goal.This is how everyday business, relationships and everyday human interaction work. You're not always going to get everything you want. You have to give up an evening to go watch a chick flick with your wife so that you can go play golf all day without her complaining. It's how things get done in the real world. Our government is broken because it's an us versus them society where nobody wants to be seen as "weak" for "giving in" to the other side.In short, the thing our current government lacks now, on both sides of the aisle, is leadership. Study the great leaders of the past and present and you don't find dictators, you find people that are willing to work with all people and their individual issues in order to acheive the greater good. Reagan was great not because he was a staunch conservative but because he was a leader that knew how to get things done.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

In my opinion, one of the great things about Reagan was what this article uses to try to discredit his Presidency.

The article doesn't discredit Reagan it points out how far the current Republicans have swung to the extreme and that people like Reagan and Goldwater wouldn't past the current extreme purity test.

[Tiltinagain 973]

The article doesn't discredit Reagan it points out how far the current Republicans have swung to the extreme and that people like Reagan and Goldwater wouldn't past the current extreme purity test.

Not overtly but that's the tone I took away at the beginning. Could be that I'm overly sensitive about this subject because so many look to discredit him and his policies. Usually taking things out of context.

[JustDoIt 10]

I didn't read past this point because you started with something I had already proven to be demonstrably false in my very last post. How useful could the rest be?

"If a poll were done on Republicans on Rape/Abortion you would be proven wrong."Just out, CBS Poll You Lose. Page 7Wow, only 17% of Republican Women "not permitted at all" ..............Democratic Women 8%.http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57501996/poll-abortion-views-not-a-litmus-test-for-most-voters/?pageNum=2&tag=contentMain;contentBodyOh Damn, I forgot you don't read past here."When a President can ignore the plain language of duly passed laws, and substitute his own executive orders, then we no longer have "a government of laws, and not of men" but a President ruling by decree, like the dictator in some banana republic."Thomas Sowell

[CaneBrain 95]

Lol, the GOP just TODAY passed a party platform in Tampa that sets as a goal the ban of all abortions without exceptions. I guess all you republican voters should let the Republican politicians (who I was obv referring to) know that they are wrong.

[JustDoIt 10]

Lol, the GOP just TODAY passed a party platform in Tampa that sets as a goal the ban of all abortions without exceptions. I guess all you republican voters should let the Republican politicians (who I was obv referring to) know that they are wrong.

LOL, like party platforms mean anything.I will stick with my poll.How is that HOPE AND CHANGE WORKING FOR YOU. Of course we know this War On Women is nothing more than a smoke screen, when you have nothing to run on Chaos is in order.Of course the truth never matters. I hope you watch the following and get back to me.DWS When Confronted On Lie: 'It Doesn't Matter'

we know that Sandra Fluke is speaking at Democratic Convention, and she flat out lied about paying 3000 a year for contraception.Yea, I know this is all irrelevant.

[brvheart 1,752]

Lol, the GOP just TODAY passed a party platform in Tampa that sets as a goal the ban of all abortions without exceptions. I guess all you republican voters should let the Republican politicians (who I was obv referring to) know that they are wrong.

Wow, really!? That's a huge step in the right direction. I'm really surprised that passed.

[mrdannyg 274]

In my opinion, one of the great things about Reagan was what this article uses to try to discredit his Presidency. He had a plan for what he wanted to get done and knew that he could not get it without compromise. Unlike the politicians of today who's seemingly largest mission is to discredit the other party, Reagan worked to get things done. He worked with both parties, giving on things he didn't particularly love in order to get closer to his ultimate goal.This is how everyday business, relationships and everyday human interaction work. You're not always going to get everything you want. You have to give up an evening to go watch a chick flick with your wife so that you can go play golf all day without her complaining. It's how things get done in the real world. Our government is broken because it's an us versus them society where nobody wants to be seen as "weak" for "giving in" to the other side.In short, the thing our current government lacks now, on both sides of the aisle, is leadership. Study the great leaders of the past and present and you don't find dictators, you find people that are willing to work with all people and their individual issues in order to acheive the greater good. Reagan was great not because he was a staunch conservative but because he was a leader that knew how to get things done.

 

Didn't read the article, but you said a lot of good things in there.

 

Wow, really!? That's a huge step in the right direction. I'm really surprised that passed.

 

I try to stay out of discussion on this forum, but it continues to blow me away that anyone without an agenda could possibly consider this a "right" direction. It is so comprehensively stupid and bad. We've argued it a million times, and so far the closest thing to an argument is that it "feels" like life begins at conception (**** science!) and the Bible says so (worse than the first argument, since the procedure wouldn't have been safe in biblical times). It's just wrong, and I very much hope the Democrats jump all over it, as only the most closeted, selfish and hateful people could possibly approve of a total ban.

[CaneBrain 95]

I'll take Brv's honesty over the GOP's obfuscation.

[DJ Vu 176]

It is so comprehensively stupid and bad. We've argued it a million times, and so far the closest thing to an argument is that it "feels" like life begins at conception (**** science!) and the Bible says so (worse than the first argument, since the procedure wouldn't have been safe in biblical times). It's just wrong, and I very much hope the Democrats jump all over it, as only the most closeted, selfish and hateful people could possibly approve of a total ban.

 

ok

[JustDoIt 10]

I'll take Brv's honesty over the GOP's obfuscation.

 

I'm glad you value honesty.

 

Obama created a fiscal commission headed by Erskine Bowles (who had negotiated budgets for Clinton) and Alan Simpson. They did their work and Mr. Bowles said "exceeded every single one of the goals that he (Obama) had

 

given us". That's right the commission had exceeded every goal given to them by Obama. They also had a majority of Republicans to vote for it, so he (Obama) had

 

plenty of cover on the other side.

 

So what did Obama do with this? Nothing, let Paul Ryan lead and then demonized his plan. Pissed on the people of America including WOMEN.

 

Talk about being Dishonest, Slimy and Obfuscating the issues.

 

Democrat Co-Chair Erskine Bowles: Obama's Political Team Convinced Obama To Ditch Fiscal Commission

 

 

Looking forward to your response.

[JustDoIt 10]

Didn't read the article, but you said a lot of good things in there.

 

 

 

I try to stay out of discussion on this forum, but it continues to blow me away that anyone without an agenda could possibly consider this a "right" direction. It is so comprehensively stupid and bad. We've argued it a million times, and so far the closest thing to an argument is that it "feels" like life begins at conception (**** science!) and the Bible says so (worse than the first argument, since the procedure wouldn't have been safe in biblical times). It's just wrong, and I very much hope the Democrats jump all over it, as only the most closeted, selfish and hateful people could possibly approve of a total ban.

 

Come on it is a party platform. If you go back over history you will find that both party's have BS in their platform which they know is not going to happen.

 

You should be more pissed about this FABRICATED WAR ON WOMEN. It should be about Jobs, Energy and Deficits.

 

Another big lie is overturning Roe V Wade would end abortion. If it was overturned it would just be returned to the states for them to decide.

 

Take a look at CBS poll released on abortion yesterday, interesting results. Check out page 7.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57501996/poll-abortion-views-not-a-litmus-test-for-most-voters/?pageNum=2&tag=contentMain;contentBody

[Tiltinagain 973]

 

You should be more pissed about this FABRICATED WAR ON WOMEN. It should be about Jobs, Energy and Deficits.

 

 

The Dems can't let it be about Jobs, Energy and Deficits because if they are forced to talk about the real issues, they lose. Instead they latch on to highly emotional issues (their version of shock and awe), lie about them in order to blow them out of proportion and let the media spin their wheels on BS rather than talking about facts.

 

Yes, both parties are guilty of this to some degree but the DNC, in particular, has elevated it to an art form. Distract, distract, distract. And it worked 4 years ago so who the hell could blame them for doing it again. Especially when so many in our social media driven times learn everything they know about politics in 20 second sound bites and cute sayings their friends share on facebook.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

The Dems can't let it be about Jobs, Energy and Deficits because if they are forced to talk about the real issues, they lose. Instead they latch on to highly emotional issues (their version of shock and awe), lie about them in order to blow them out of proportion and let the media spin their wheels on BS rather than talking about facts.

 

Yes, both parties are guilty of this to some degree but the DNC, in particular, has elevated it to an art form. Distract, distract, distract. And it worked 4 years ago so who the hell could blame them for doing it again. Especially when so many in our social media driven times learn everything they know about politics in 20 second sound bites and cute sayings their friends share on facebook.

 

Yup, the GOP is at least honest about saying that they don't care that they're lying, if it's effective they'll keep doing it.

 

Romney Camp Bets On Welfare Attack

 

Their most powerful weapon, a top aide says. “We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,” says Newhouse.

[CaneBrain 95]

 

 

The Dems can't let it be about Jobs, Energy and Deficits because if they are forced to talk about the real issues, they lose. Instead they latch on to highly emotional issues (their version of shock and awe), lie about them in order to blow them out of proportion and let the media spin their wheels on BS rather than talking about facts.

 

Yes, both parties are guilty of this to some degree but the DNC, in particular, has elevated it to an art form. Distract, distract, distract. And it worked 4 years ago so who the hell could blame them for doing it again. Especially when so many in our social media driven times learn everything they know about politics in 20 second sound bites and cute sayings their friends share on facebook.

 

Lol, I could change like five words in this entire rant, and have it be a blistering rant against how George Bush won the 2004 election by swift boating Kerry and pumping anti gay marriage fervor to distract from the Iraq War.

 

However, the idea that anything you are describing happened in 2008 is bordering on delusional. Obama just needed to stand there and not do anything stupid to win that election; that's what happens when a president leaves office with an approval rating in the low 20s.

 

Just do it,

 

The odds of the GOP voting for Simpson/Bowles, which contains multiple tax increases including some to the wealthy, are about as good as me playing PG for the Heat next season. Grover owns too many of them. So acting like Obama killed that style of deficit reduction plan is just crazy gibberish.

[JustDoIt 10]

Yup, the GOP is at least honest about saying that they don't care that they're lying, if it's effective they'll keep doing it.

 

Romney Camp Bets On Welfare Attack

 

Their most powerful weapon, a top aide says. “We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,” says Newhouse.

 

Geez, everyone left out one important point, what Obama did through Executive Order is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Oops, I forgot that is just a trivial thing

[CaneBrain 95]

I think my favorite part of this election is watching how indignant GOP politicians and voters are that Democrats are finally getting down in the gutter with them.

 

Tell us more about how the black guy is un-American while you take the "high road".

[DJ Vu 176]

lol "finally"

[CaneBrain 95]

lol "finally"

 

I thought they wussed out big time in 2000 and 2004. They didn't need to do anything in '08.

 

Maybe they used to do stuff back in the day but i wasn't voter eligible until 2000.

 

Obama is just a lot tougher than Kerry and Gore were.

[JustDoIt 10]

Lol, I could change like five words in this entire rant, and have it be a blistering rant against how George Bush won the 2004 election by swift boating Kerry and pumping anti gay marriage fervor to distract from the Iraq War.

 

However, the idea that anything you are describing happened in 2008 is bordering on delusional. Obama just needed to stand there and not do anything stupid to win that election; that's what happens when a president leaves office with an approval rating in the low 20s.

 

Just do it,

 

The odds of the GOP voting for Simpson/Bowles, which contains multiple tax increases including some to the wealthy, are about as good as me playing PG for the Heat next season. Grover owns too many of them. So acting like Obama killed that style of deficit reduction plan is just crazy gibberish.

 

Come on CainBrain you can do better than that.

 

Crazy Gibberish............he created a commission, they did their job and had people from the GOP side lined up. What did Obama do, NOOOOOOOOOTHING.

 

Please tell me one thing Obama did to move it forward. OK, you can't. So Yes, he killed it for his own Political Partisan gains. Their are people hurting and it's all about him and getting reelected. And yes he is Dishonest and Slimy.

[Tiltinagain 973]

Yup, the GOP is at least honest about saying that they don't care that they're lying, if it's effective they'll keep doing it.

 

Romney Camp Bets On Welfare Attack

 

Their most powerful weapon, a top aide says. “We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,” says Newhouse.

 

Way to take the quote out of context. Thanks for helping make my point. The whole quote read :

 

"Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and we’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers," he said. The fact-checkers — whose institutional rise has been a feature of the cycle — have "jumped the shark," he added after the panel."

 

So, what they're saying is that "fact checkers" is not an objective source. No surprise since it's coming from the Washington Post.

Lol, I could change like five words in this entire rant, and have it be a blistering rant against how George Bush won the 2004 election by swift boating Kerry and pumping anti gay marriage fervor to distract from the Iraq War.

 

However, the idea that anything you are describing happened in 2008 is bordering on delusional. Obama just needed to stand there and not do anything stupid to win that election; that's what happens when a president leaves office with an approval rating in the low 20s.

 

Just do it,

 

The odds of the GOP voting for Simpson/Bowles, which contains multiple tax increases including some to the wealthy, are about as good as me playing PG for the Heat next season. Grover owns too many of them. So acting like Obama killed that style of deficit reduction plan is just crazy gibberish.

 

I guess you could, but you'd be wrong. Bush was going to win that election while we were in the middle of a war. To say he tried to distract from the war is ignorant.

 

I think my favorite part of this election is watching how indignant GOP politicians and voters are that Democrats are finally getting down in the gutter with them.

 

Tell us more about how the black guy is un-American while you take the "high road".

 

2nd DJ's lol at "finally". Apparently you need to work on your political history. Going back to Bush 1 and especially during Bush 2's years (and after), the Dems and their media puppets drug each of them through the mud mercilessly. Hell, people still try to say that Bush "stole" the election versus Gore and still blame him for the current economy.

 

If the world could be turned upside down and a republican said half the things Obama has said, not produced a budget, spend $800 million on a stimulus that promised to lower employment which failed miserably, and on and on, the media would be using them for a pinata daily.

 

Wake up.

 

Come on CainBrain you can do better than that.

 

Crazy Gibberish............he created a commission, they did their job and had people from the GOP side lined up. What did Obama do, NOOOOOOOOOTHING.

 

Please tell me one thing Obama did to move it forward. OK, you can't. So Yes, he killed it for his own Political Partisan gains. Their are people hurting and it's all about him and getting reelected. And yes he is Dishonest and Slimy.

 

This.

[gobears 0]

I thought they wussed out big time in 2000 and 2004. They didn't need to do anything in '08.

 

Maybe they used to do stuff back in the day but i wasn't voter eligible until 2000.

 

Obama is just a lot tougher than Kerry and Gore were.

 

Gore/Kerry wussed out - they deserved to lose the election

 

Obama gets down into the mud with the Republicans - both sides are now really reaching with their ads - lots of "pants on fire" ads if you look at politifact.

 

You don't win in politics if you don't go negative unfortunately

[FCP Bob 1,312]

Come on CainBrain you can do better than that.

 

Crazy Gibberish............he created a commission, they did their job and had people from the GOP side lined up. What did Obama do, NOOOOOOOOOTHING.

 

Please tell me one thing Obama did to move it forward. OK, you can't. So Yes, he killed it for his own Political Partisan gains. Their are people hurting and it's all about him and getting reelected. And yes he is Dishonest and Slimy.

 

What do you think about Paul Ryan who was on the commission voting against Simpson - Bowles ?

 

Ryan Grim‏@ryangrim

Paul Ryan's speechwriter should've googled the deficit commission. He'd have noticed Ryan voted against it.

[JustDoIt 10]

What do you think about Paul Ryan who was on the commission voting against Simpson - Bowles ?

 

Ryan Grim‏@ryangrim

Paul Ryan's speechwriter should've googled the deficit commission. He'd have noticed Ryan voted against it.

 

I think he had some problems with some things in it and voted against it. So what, you move it forward for debate. Paul Ryan being against it is irrelevant and his vote is not the only vote in town.

 

And yes there were a lot of good things in it. And yes there was Republicans lined up behind it including conservatives.