Essay21 2,385 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Rondo > d-will right now. i can't agree with that. i think the celts would trade rondo for d will straight up in a heartbeat if they could. Link to post Share on other sites
Essay21 2,385 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 there needs to be a rule in place to stop the hack-a-"player" strategy. this is terrible for basketball. just outlaw this now. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I don't understand why that isn't just considered an intentional foul. wouldn't that solve it? it is intentional.also, this spurs-heat series should be a lot of fun. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Intentional foul away from the ball = free throw + possession. Seems like that should do it.I had to change my pants after that 3rd quarter. Did the Spurs play perfect basketball? It wasn't even that the Thunder were playing bad defense. Is Popovich the best coach ever?Do you guys remember how he got his start as the head coach of the Spurs? He used to be the GM and Bob Hill was the coach. Even though Hill had a record of 121-43, Pop fired him after he got off to a bad start (probably because they were missing David Robinson (probably???)) and named himself head coach. He did this right as Robinson was due to come back. But then he got hurt again, they tanked the season, drafted Duncan, and won their first championship two years later. I remember when he fired Hill and made himself the coach thinking about what a dick move it was. I guess it worked out ok though. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 The Spurs played pretty much perfect while I was watching.It's like the perfect storm of the right players with the right attitudes with the right coach with the right team culture. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Pop has a long way to go to get past Red Auerbach. The third quarter was terrifying last night though. Thunder had no answer.I think the move is to not help on Tony Parker and make him score 50 and deny the ball movement. Maybe. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Yeah, they tried that in the regular season and Parker scored 42 in a blowout win. It's definitely a pick your poison deal, but I think that's the right move. The problem is that Parker will get all the way to the rim for layups if nobody helps. Thunder need to sit Perkins and Fisher. Fisher was hitting some shots, but I still don't think he's a net positive. One of the Thunder beat writers tweeted out that he was going to go down and check in for Fisher soon if Brooks didn't take him out. It's funny that Ibaka (first team all-defense) sits for long stretches because Brooks doesn't think he can guard Duncan. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 Thunder need to sit Perkins and Fisher. Fisher was hitting some shots, but I still don't think he's a net positive. One of the Thunder beat writers tweeted out that he was going to go down and check in for Fisher soon if Brooks didn't take him out.It's funny that Ibaka (first team all-defense) sits for long stretches because Brooks doesn't think he can guard Duncan.The fact that Fisher sees the floor at all makes me question Brooks' ability to judge how effective players are. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Assuming they both reach the Finals, I think you will see the Heat put Lebron on Tony Parker a ton and not help. I don't see another viable strategy. Reduce Chalmers role and put Battier/Miller on Kawhi Leonard. When Danny Green is in put Chalmers on him.If you let them start kicking the ball all over the place, it's over. Too many shooters.Fisher should not play but we should acknowledge that Eric Maynor's injury is finally hurting the Thunder. They could use him right now so much to go small and get Fisher AND Perkins off the court. Maynor/Westbrook/Harden/Durant/Ibaka small-ball would clearly be OKC's best chance against the Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Here is a great write-up about the Thunder's defense against the Spurs.I think Miami's defense against San Antonio's offense would be really fun. Against NY, Miami's wings were able to help out and still close out on the 3-point shooters. But NY's offense didn't have multiple options. Novak would get the ball, Wade would be on him, and then it would just be "oh shit, now what?" San Antonio keeps moving the ball until someone is eventually open. It would be a fascinating series I think.And I'm not quite ready to write off OKC. They're going to be better at home and San Antonio's shooters might be a little worse. Still could be a long series. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 The stats for teams up 2-0 are staggering but I agree that OKC is not dead yet. I agree that watching Miami fly and around on defense against the Spurs could be very entertaining.And, yes, Zach Lowe is the best. Link to post Share on other sites
Poppy_Hillis 11 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Assuming they both reach the Finals, I think you will see the Heat put Lebron on Tony Parker a ton and not help.What do you mean not help? You have to play team defense against P/R, that's why everyone runs it so much. The problem with the Heat's defense against the Spurs is that they help off the strong-side corner 3, so they're going to be giving up a ton of short single-pass corner 3's, which is what the Spurs are designed to beat. It's going to be a real tough series for the Heat, and I'm going to love it if the Spurs are even money or better. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 It's going to be a real tough series for the Heat, and I'm going to love it if the Spurs are even money or better.The Spurs have been the favorite to win it all since Miami fell behind 2-1 to Indiana. It would be interesting to see what happens if Bosh comes back for the Finals.The story all year has been about Lebron and the Heat. Let's say that the Spurs sweep through the West and beat the Heat in 5 in the finals. Would the conversation be more about the Heat losing or the Spurs winning? I think the only thing that gets Lebron off the hook is San Antonio beating everyone convincingly, so that there is a storyline about where they rank among the all-time greats.Edit: Even though OKC is down 2-0 and San Antonio is the overall favorite, their odds to win it all are still much better than Boston's. Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Will the conference finals be over by the end of the weekend? Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Boston blew an epic Rondo game. Everyone was saying that for Boston to have any chance, Rondo would have to be huge. He was huge and they still didn't win. And Ray Allen's corpse was hitting shots too. I am loving the way Lebron is taking it to Garnett. And talk about the league fixing it so Miami wins is dumb. If anything, the league would want Boston to win game 2 to make it interesting. As it stands, everybody is checking out of this series thinking it's a foregone conclusion now.I haven't checked the stats, but it sure seems like Wade misses a lot of "clutch" free throws. Maybe even more than Lebron. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 I don't think the issue is rigging it's just the usual superstar calls that LeBron and especially Wade gets but that happens in every game due to who they are and how they play. Link to post Share on other sites
Essay21 2,385 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 the question is did boston blow their load in that one and now will be unable to put up a fight at home? i'd say they take game three, lose games 4 and 5. Link to post Share on other sites
Poppy_Hillis 11 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 The story all year has been about Lebron and the Heat. Let's say that the Spurs sweep through the West and beat the Heat in 5 in the finals. Would the conversation be more about the Heat losing or the Spurs winning? I think the only thing that gets Lebron off the hook is San Antonio beating everyone convincingly, so that there is a storyline about where they rank among the all-time greats.Heat losing for sure...unless Spurs go undefeated.It's going to suck when the Spurs are closing out the Thunder and somebody gets hurt and the Heat win the title bc of that. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I don't think the issue is rigging it's just the usual superstar calls that LeBron and especially Wade gets but that happens in every game due to who they are and how they play.the missed call on Rondo was bad at a very crucial juncture. Huge break for Miami. Everything else seemed perfectly fine; Boston said they were going to foul to prevent lay-ups after Game 2 and that's exactly what happened.Claims that the NBA is rigging games AGAINST THE 17-TIME NBA CHAMPION BOSTON CELTICS ring a little hollow to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Poppy_Hillis 11 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Claims that the NBA is rigging games AGAINST THE 17-TIME NBA CHAMPION BOSTON CELTICS ring a little hollow to me.Well Stern rigged the whole ****ing season and future for the 16-TIME NBA CHAMPION LOS ANGELES LAKERS...so who knows. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Well Stern rigged the whole ****ing season and future for the 16-TIME NBA CHAMPION LOS ANGELES LAKERS...so who knows.oh, please. Look back at the trade that was vetoed compared to the trade they made. The second trade is clearly superior. Stern seems pretty vindicated to me on his claim that he vetoed the Lakers trade because it wasn't a good enough deal. Sure, the way it went down was really shady but that's the inherent problem with the league owning a team. It creates compromising situations and the inherent appearance of impropriety.I'm sure the Lakers will end up getting New Jersey to panic-trade D-Williams for Gasol or something, don't worry too much. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 What's with all these NBA players wearing the thick framed hipster glasses? Link to post Share on other sites
Essay21 2,385 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 gotta be SWAG son Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Lopsided, awful trades are made all the time. The notion that Stern is vindicated is dumb. He ****ed up and everyone knows it.Swag has got to be the worst ****ing word ever. It's so absurd, worse than stupid ****ing frameless glasses. All these millionaire NBA players perfectly embody what a hipster is. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I really couldn't care less what they wear.Thunder's defense was pretty great last night. Funny how that happens when you play Ibaka and Thabo instead of Perkins and Fisher. San Antonio looked a little flustered on offense and had some bad turnovers. I think they'll be better tomorrow, but it will be a close game. According to LeBatard, a "high ranking Miami official" says that the Spurs don't scare them because Boston is better. Which is so absurd it hurts me. His reasoning was Garnett > Duncan, Rondo > Parker, Pierce > Manu, Allen > Spurs 3 pt shooters, Boston defense > Spurs defense. I guess if you're Miami you look at teams that way. All individual pieces. Not to mention that he's wrong about some of those comparisons anyway. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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