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PokerStars Game #70271606601: Tournament #546010283, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2011/11/09 15:14:55 WET [2011/11/09 10:14:55 ET]Table '546010283 318' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: rakayy (2630 in chips) Seat 2: jamzdotman (7945 in chips) Seat 3: Teror666 (2960 in chips) Seat 4: Coffos (8060 in chips) Seat 5: cheon (10463 in chips) Seat 6: balic420 (3395 in chips) Seat 7: thechronic10 (6650 in chips) Seat 8: MIMOMA (3270 in chips) Seat 9: Lauerrinho (1985 in chips) is sitting outrakayy: posts the ante 10jamzdotman: posts the ante 10Teror666: posts the ante 10Coffos: posts the ante 10cheon: posts the ante 10balic420: posts the ante 10thechronic10: posts the ante 10MIMOMA: posts the ante 10Lauerrinho: posts the ante 10balic420: posts small blind 50thechronic10: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jamzdotman [6d 7d]MIMOMA: folds Lauerrinho: folds rakayy: folds jamzdotman: raises 175 to 275Teror666: folds Coffos: calls 275cheon: calls 275balic420: calls 225thechronic10: calls 175*** FLOP *** [6c 7h 8s]balic420: checks thechronic10: checks jamzdotman: bets 625Coffos: folds cheon: folds balic420: folds thechronic10: calls 625*** TURN *** [6c 7h 8s] [2s]thechronic10: checks jamzdotman: bets 2050thechronic10: raises 3690 to 5740 and is all-injamzdotman: folds [6d 7d]Uncalled bet (3690) returned to thechronic10thechronic10 collected 6815 from potthechronic10: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 6815 | Rake 0 Board [6c 7h 8s 2s]Any feedback from any player is welcome ! Only hands i felt i could be beating in this spot were 99, 89. Look forward to hearing some opinions :club:[/color][/size]

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feral_cow_icon.gifConverting hands till the cows come homePokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($5.00+$0.50) t50/t100 ante t10 - 9 playersMP: t2,630 MP2: t7,945 (Hero)HJ: t2,960 CO: t8,060 Button: t10,463 SB: t3,395 BB: t6,650 UTG: t3,270 UTG+1: t1,985 Preflop: (t240) Hero is MP2 with :4h:3h (9 players)3 folds, Hero raises to t275, HJ folds, CO calls t275, Button calls t275, SB calls t225, BB calls t175Flop: (t1,465) :qh:club::ts (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t625, 3 folds, BB calls t625Turn: (t2,715) :5c (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets t2050, BB raises to t5740 and is all-in, Hero foldsBB collected t6815
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And you didn't convert the hand, you can use sites such as http://www.feralcowpoker.com/poker-hand-hi...y-converter.php in the future.You also provided no context, statistics or reads.So 1, I would fold pre. We have 2 shorter stacks behind us and from MP I would prefer folding SCs until we get to 89s+ I'd open 67s in the CO, sometimes in the HJ and rarely in MP/CO-2Then, on the turn I am folding to the c.rThe flop c.c and turn c.r is classic lolstrong hand from a weak player (which I assume villain is in a $5 MTT.There is certainly an argument that maybe he's the type of weak player who will over value TT or pair+draw or is just spewing, but for the most part you will see a set or straight here.I'd also bet the flop waaaaaay larger, we are 6 ways on a board that has a lot of straight draws and we have 2-pair, let's get a lot of money in. It already looks strong when we c-bet in a 5-way pot, so let's get lots of value from pair + drawsI stand by the fold pre. I doubt you will be profitable long term with 67s from the CO -2 (MP)I just checked my database (for 6max cash games as I don't have a lot of MTT or FR hands) and I only open 67s from CO -2 18% of the time. I would only open it if there was a mega fish in the blinds will pay off when I make a hand or if a table was super tight and I could steal blinds and barrel nits.So readless and such, I'm passing pre.

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And you didn't convert the hand, you can use sites such as http://www.feralcowpoker.com/poker-hand-hi...y-converter.php in the future.You also provided no context, statistics or reads.So 1, I would fold pre. We have 2 shorter stacks behind us and from MP I would prefer folding SCs until we get to 89s+ I'd open 67s in the CO, sometimes in the HJ and rarely in MP/CO-2Then, on the turn I am folding to the c.rThe flop c.c and turn c.r is classic lolstrong hand from a weak player (which I assume villain is in a $5 MTT.There is certainly an argument that maybe he's the type of weak player who will over value TT or pair+draw or is just spewing, but for the most part you will see a set or straight here.I'd also bet the flop waaaaaay larger, we are 6 ways on a board that has a lot of straight draws and we have 2-pair, let's get a lot of money in. It already looks strong when we c-bet in a 5-way pot, so let's get lots of value from pair + drawsI stand by the fold pre. I doubt you will be profitable long term with 67s from the CO -2 (MP)I just checked my database (for 6max cash games as I don't have a lot of MTT or FR hands) and I only open 67s from CO -2 18% of the time. I would only open it if there was a mega fish in the blinds will pay off when I make a hand or if a table was super tight and I could steal blinds and barrel nits.So readless and such, I'm passing pre.
Thanks for the in-detail reply, i agree with basically everything you said which is good i guess :club: , was a bit loosy goosy...didnt have too many reads on the players although it was a tight(ish) table.I know nothing about converting hands or anything like that so cheers for the info. I shall use your way of thinking in future i think :ts - happier with the fold now than i was at the time, really didnt like to fold. Definitely bet the turn in that spot all the time? Or maybe check back for some pot control and a cheaper showdown..also got chance to fill up. Thought about that side of things after the hand too.Cheers
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Thanks for the in-detail reply, i agree with basically everything you said which is good i guess :club: , was a bit loosy goosy...didnt have too many reads on the players although it was a tight(ish) table.I know nothing about converting hands or anything like that so cheers for the info. I shall use your way of thinking in future i think :ts - happier with the fold now than i was at the time, really didnt like to fold. Definitely bet the turn in that spot all the time? Or maybe check back for some pot control and a cheaper showdown..also got chance to fill up. Thought about that side of things after the hand too.Cheers
I'd bet the turn close to 100% of the time.There is waaaaay too much value in a villain calling with a pair+draw or just pair or just draw. We can bet expecting to get called by worse a ton and when we do get c.r'd we don't have to worry about it being a bluff or semi-bluff very often. I mean, not many $5 MTT players are c.r the turn with 89 in my opinionglgl
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There's too much money in the pot to fold that turn, guy could be doing it with pairs, pairs+str8 draws, pairs+ flush draws. We have two pair and we're going to fold to the most innocuous turn card?
I just feel like when you c-bet the 5way pot and they c.c, crai turn they have a set or a straightI like your use of the word innocuousI guess we call it off and see what's up; ISAP and should likely preface all posts with that tho
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I miss you James.I don't exactly hate the b/f on the turn to be honest, but we are getting a ridiculous price. I'd prefer it with top two
You miss the nittiness?Yeah, top two would be much better.Any of you guys have thoughts on the open in MP2/CO-2?
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quite the pickle ... what do you do when you get what you want but don't really like it as much as you thought you would? What were you thinking your opponent thought you had? You see how many of the posts would NOT put you on your hand since they are not opening with it themselves. So in your opponents mind you are actually stronger than 67 preflop ... either pocket pair or strong Ace. So they just call the flop bet and turn now offers a flush draw and they panic ... shoving all-in to protect what? Set sounds likely or a made straight ... maybe even A9 spades ... or better 2-pair.If you are ahead, then you are only 65% to win against what woud be expected holdings, so you have to decide if you are ready for an exit or a double up. If you are behind, then at best you are 30% to win down to 0% (set of 8s).I would suggest a larger flop bet or going for a check raise expecting one of the others to have a go at this board. You may end up folding before the turn if you get a re-raise but it might have been a cheaper way to go here. If you check flop, they are going to put you AK-ish and lead out, then you put pressure on them with the re-raise which would scream over-pair, not really 2-pair or set (made hand alert for sure) ... if you get played back at, then you can fold or go all the way.All depends on your read on your opponent and your willingness to live with dropping down to 10 BB if you are beat. If you play lots of tournaments ... call. If this is your once a week or month ... good fold and it was just a bad flop for your 'gutsy' opening choice of holdings. My guess would be that they overvalued an open-ended strt AND flush draw, maybe with one pair and put you on AK ... hoping it wasn't AK of spades. It could have even been an over-pair now scared of both the str and flush draws ... again, putting you on AK-ish ... Good Luck ...

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If you are going to play that hand in that position I would have limped. Once the first person calls your bet of just 275 most others will follow because of the odds get better and better (due to the antes)first guy getting just about 2-1second guy getting 3 -1SB getting almost 5-1BB getting 7.5-1This is where antes make the game more and more complex for those that just play ABC poker. With that many players just the antes alone pretty much equal the BB so if you chose to play 67 in mid position I would have limped and folded to a proper raise or opened with a bet of around 400 or 450. I am gussing you wouldn't have had that many callers. From there it would depend on who is calling you. But once the hand played out as it did 2050 on the turn heads up IMO was too much if you weren't planning on calling a shove. I think a not so quick check there makes a world of difference.

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