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I can see him doing it with any AQ combo and the other hands Colbalt mentions. Yeah as played, pre-flop he could have QQ here and even 88 but there are enough hands he can have that are beaten here to make a call reasonably profitable. Like I said I'm stubborn but honestly I've played 100s of thousands of hands online and live (mostly online) and I have to say I rarely get beaten by set over set.
Just one 'l', please. :club: In ~500 hours of live poker, I believe I've been oversetted 4 times. I did win one though...and no, I didn't make quads or a flush...I got the guy to fold.
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I can see him doing it with any AQ combo and the other hands Colbalt mentions. Yeah as played, pre-flop he could have QQ here and even 88 but there are enough hands he can have that are beaten here to make a call reasonably profitable. Like I said I'm stubborn but honestly I've played 100s of thousands of hands online and live (mostly online) and I have to say I rarely get beaten by set over set. If he has a club draw we stand 36% or so chance of losing if he hits his draw but a 64% chance of winning. While I can understand a fold and certainly don't think it was bad, I still think calling will be profitable enough here to make a call okay. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.
I don't think he ever shoves 200+bb w AQo.
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the thing is, if utg villain is a good player then has range is going to be widened to more combo draws (all broadway clubs, and t9cc). I feel that if it was a weaker player, and he played it like this, I love the fold b/c his range is prolly 2 hands (QQ or 88). and again, we have a set and those usually win!

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I think we should fold pre. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.
Only reason I'd fold pre is if a shorter stack behind is super likely to jam and then the EP isolates.
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I wish I was pretending...not fun folding a $1K winner.
Honestly, if you made yourself a rule that you never folded a set on the flop, you'd be extremely happy with your game long term and would never have regrets.Of course, with every rule there are "exceptions", but honestly, myself included, most players suck at finding the exceptions when they run across them.
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Just one 'l', please. :club: In ~500 hours of live poker, I believe I've been oversetted 4 times. I did win one though...and no, I didn't make quads or a flush...I got the guy to fold.
I find this hard to believe, as many hands as you've played online that this hasn't happened more to you. I can't imagine I've played much more than you and I've been oversetted dozens and dozens of times.
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I find this hard to believe, as many hands as you've played online that this hasn't happened more to you. I can't imagine I've played much more than you and I've been oversetted dozens and dozens of times.
Oh, it's happened gobs and gobs online. I've played several million hands. I was just saying that it has happened like 4 times in probably 15k hands of live poker.
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lol at all the responses. regardless of live or online. makes no difference. I agree the line is very odd, which can be confused as strong. But ive been in these spots before. and I've folded monsters.. (Why did i fold a monster) you ask??because I was playing without proper bankroll management. this is 1/2 NL. if OP showed up with a few hundred to play some poker. he is scared money. If OP has a 4k BR he is insta calling this flop./end thread.

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lol at all the responses. regardless of live or online. makes no difference. I agree the line is very odd, which can be confused as strong. But ive been in these spots before. and I've folded monsters.. (Why did i fold a monster) you ask??because I was playing without proper bankroll management. this is 1/2 NL. if OP showed up with a few hundred to play some poker. he is scared money. If OP has a 4k BR he is insta calling this flop./end thread.
you're an idiot
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lol at all the responses. regardless of live or online. makes no difference. I agree the line is very odd, which can be confused as strong. But ive been in these spots before. and I've folded monsters.. (Why did i fold a monster) you ask??because I was playing without proper bankroll management. this is 1/2 NL. if OP showed up with a few hundred to play some poker. he is scared money. If OP has a 4k BR he is insta calling this flop./end thread.
At the time, my bankroll was about $6K. I don't play much anymore because I deal in this room now. It wasn't about scared money, I have no problem putting all my chips in when I need to.
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2/4 FRI raise :5c:4h to $12 in EP with $900 behind, CO (probably decent reg) flats, BB callsFlop :ts:club: :jhCheck, I bet $26, CO calls, BB foldsTurn :7dI bet $61, CO callsRiver :2cI bet $146, he banks all the way down and shoves for $390 total, I puke-fold

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2/4 FRI raise :5c:4h to $12 in EP with $900 behind, CO (probably decent reg) flats, BB callsFlop :ts:club: :jhCheck, I bet $26, CO calls, BB foldsTurn :7dI bet $61, CO callsRiver :2cI bet $146, he banks all the way down and shoves for $390 total, I puke-fold
He's repping exactly T9hh or AThh (I mean WTF do people ever slowplay on that board, especially for both the flop and turn?) and not raising those hands OTF is pretty horrible since so little of your value range wants to fold that flop and you probably don't barrel that texture with air a ton. He could even have a weirdly played KQ or some other value hand or even **gasp!** a missed draw or worse made hand that he's now turning into a bluff. Folding here seems really really REALLY bad if you are asking, especially getting better than 3-1.
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He's repping exactly T9hh or AThh (I mean WTF do people ever slowplay on that board, especially for both the flop and turn?) and not raising those hands OTF is pretty horrible since so little of your value range wants to fold that flop and you probably don't barrel that texture with air a ton. He could even have a weirdly played KQ or some other value hand or even **gasp!** a missed draw or worse made hand that he's now turning into a bluff. Folding here seems really really REALLY bad if you are asking, especially getting better than 3-1.
If he's flatting the flop and turn with KQ, it seems really strange for him to shove the river. Like, can he really expect to get value from many worse hands? The only value hand that I beat is a strange JJ. If he's bluffing, I'd expect he would shove faster than he did. It seemed like a classic, "time down to make hand look weak with the nuts" situation. There aren't too many air flush draws...which means he'd have to be turning a made hand into a bluff.It's close enough that if I had KK, I'd probably call (since it adds QQ as a value hand that I beat). If I had a decent read, I think I could call, but based on my limited reads (anonymous tables), he was probably a somewhat competent reg (he bought in for the max and hadn't done anything of strange note yet).It certainly pained me a lot, but I feel that of all the times that I've made this call in the past, I'm getting shown AT/T9 here like 80-90% of the time. If I'm shown those hands more than 75% of the time, it's a losing call.
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