Stars $3 Rebuy 180 Turbo Thread

[r23y 2]

Just a quick question hould should I play pokets 9 10 of jacks from middle postion during the rebuy period.

[outsider13 0]

Just a quick question hould should I play pokets 9 10 of jacks from middle postion during the rebuy period.

Um, ya? I guess it depends on how many players are in the pot, but there's nothing wrong with playing them at least for set value. JJ I probably play for stacks in the rebuy period, TT prob too depending on the action.

[outsider13 0]

And regarding the 2a & 2b, I totally agree with TA13/Tehtoe. If you are shorter and the OR is nuts, then it makes more sense. Like tehtoe said, with his stack, minraising is leaning more towards a raise to induce and you are in most cases crushed.The 55 hand, I'm raising there for sure with that stack but only to like 2750ish. I'd probably call off that first shove but def folding with that action. Nice hand.

[CorvairShaggy 5]

Outsider - I folded the 55 because of the 2nd shove. Would have been a nice hand and probably made the difference between me bubbling 20th and min-cash at a minimum.Mr. Sparco - Thank you for that post. I have been thinking all night about Tehtoe/TrueAce's explanations. I see there point, but still trying to fully wrap my brain around it. Your post drove it home.R23Y - I have no problems with the rebuy period. I always rebuy instantly to 3K, and do the add-on, and generally that is it. You can sharkscope and filter out to $3r and see that most of the time I get to about 60th or better, when shove/fold mode comes into play. To me the key during the rebuy time is pay attention to the crazy asses. Last night I had a guy directly to my left that AIPF 30 out of 31 hands during the rebuy, and I know he had to of rebought at least 15 times. That is extreme, but since I only play 2 tables at a time now, I have noticed that you do have to loosen up a bit durning the rebuy, but pay attention to the guys that are playing really loose and see what they are showing with. Alot of guys here will play any paint from any position, play any Ax from any position, J10 constantly, etc. You have to loosen up a bit, but I have found that I can pick my spots to really get it in good, or if the cards don't come, I am just patient and don't get lured in to their flipping games. (I like to make stupid flips after I've spent at least 1 1/2 hours in these). Some starts can be really loose, some are really tight. . Also, some players will start a little tight, but will get lured into playing loose if the table goes that way. When you do catch a monster, it can be a boost. I'll post a crazy hand tonight when I get home that happened during the rebuy. Too funny. Don't be afraid to call it off with middle pair and a flush draw on a non-top heavy board against a villain that has already rebought 2-3 times on a loose table. Maybe I have gotten lucky here, but I think I have made more chips with this situation than any other during the rebuy.

[tbrick412 0]

those Bond18 articles that truefish13 posted are a really good read.

[CorvairShaggy 5]

AHHHHHH!! Got the monkey off the back!!! Finished 13th for $20.95. This was extra special because I was really card dead the whole way (VP of 14 over 119 hands). I lost one key spot about 50th where I was down to ~700 chips, and got lucky the next 2 hands AIPF, and built back up. There was not any key hands in this one, but what made the difference was POSITION!!! I paid alot more attention to it, plus got aggressive when I could in key spots with ATC, and just played position. I think I finally may be getting it!!! Thanks again to everyone that's helped out. I have cashed several times before, but in this one I feel like I played a really good game, and even though I did get lucky, I don't feel like I was just throwing shit up against the wall in the hopes it stuck.Here is that crazy hand I was talking about a few posts earlier. This was the 8th hand in, and the table was loose as hell since the first hand. Pretty funny here:Converted by the cows of Feral Cow PokerPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.30) t15/t30 - 8 playersSB misade: t1,500 BB teachmyself: t880 UTG IMGDI: t4,040 UTG+1 mightymem: t2,780 MP akb1: t3,000 HJ Hero: t6,230 CO ouwenr.1: t5,600 Button LaFnOwCryLtr: t2,970 Preflop: (t45) Hero is HJ with (8 players)IMGDI folds, mightymem calls t30, akb1 folds, Hero calls t30, ouwenr.1 calls t30, 2 folds, teachmyself raises to t880 and is all-in, mightymem calls t850, Hero calls t850, ouwenr.1 calls t850Flop: (t3,535) (4 players)mightymem bets t180, Hero calls t180, ouwenr.1 raises to t360, mightymem calls t180, Hero raises to t570, ouwenr.1 raises to t780, mightymem raises to t1900 and is all-in, Hero raises to t3020, ouwenr.1 calls t2240Turn: (t11,655) (4 players)Hero bets t1260, ouwenr.1 raises to t1700 and is all-in, Hero calls t440River: (t15,055) (4 players)teachmyself showed , and lost with a pair of Fivesmightymem showed :4h, and lost with high card QueenHero showed , and won (14875) with a flush, Ace highouwenr.1 showed , and lost with high card TenHero won t14875

[rrumsey 0]

^ fold preflop

[Tehtoe 3]

^ fold preflop

Meh, this is fine in the rebuy period.

[CorvairShaggy 5]

^ fold preflop

Meh, this is fine in the rebuy period.

You had to be there to see how loose these guys were. This was just an example to show sometimes how loose people will play during the rebuy. This is the one where ouwenr.1 got it in every single hand. He rebought at least 15 times. Some starts are really loose like this, because all 7 previous hands guys were 3-4 way all-in with literally ATC. Some rebuy starts are really stupid crazy like this, and some you just stick to our normal game plan.

[r23y 2]

the other day I was playing in a rebuy.I flopped a k high straight flush still during the rebuy period(6 people in the hand).I checked the flop to let them catch up and checked the turn.I over bet the pot on the river to make them think I was trying to buy it and everyone folded.How could I of played this different to get some value out of it?

[outsider13 0]

the other day I was playing in a rebuy.I flopped a k high straight flush still during the rebuy period(6 people in the hand).I checked the flop to let them catch up and checked the turn.I over bet the pot on the river to make them think I was trying to buy it and everyone folded.How could I of played this different to get some value out of it?

Depends on the player and his hand. You will certainly get a bit more value if you actually bet for value at some point rather than just trying to look like a bluff on one street. I probably would have checked flop, bet small on the turn to try and induce, and bet for value on the river. What your opponent has certainly affects how much you will get out of him.

[rrumsey 0]

You had to be there to see how loose these guys were. This was just an example to show sometimes how loose people will play during the rebuy. This is the one where ouwenr.1 got it in every single hand. He rebought at least 15 times. Some starts are really loose like this, because all 7 previous hands guys were 3-4 way all-in with literally ATC. Some rebuy starts are really stupid crazy like this, and some you just stick to our normal game plan.

yah i have seen the same thing in the daily dollar rebuy, people ( even good 22-33 sng grinders and stuff) will go balls deep early and try to get a massive stack bc they feel its not worth playing unless they can get a huge stack. Its not a terrible fold, but why take a gamble multiway @ a table you know will pay you off when you have a hand or when they shove into you when you have a hand you are clearly a favorite in. Hu to close action against an ATC spewtard i call.

[CorvairShaggy 5]

yah i have seen the same thing in the daily dollar rebuy, people ( even good 22-33 sng grinders and stuff) will go balls deep early and try to get a massive stack bc they feel its not worth playing unless they can get a huge stack. Its not a terrible fold, but why take a gamble multiway @ a table you know will pay you off when you have a hand or when they shove into you when you have a hand you are clearly a favorite in. Hu to close action against an ATC spewtard i call.

Basically, I didn't want to gamble and hope for better cards before these guys quit rebuying. I had already doubled up, so my thinking was call 15% of my stack (about 33% of my 8 hands in profit) and hope for A or diamonds on the flop. Anything else, I let it go. Yes, on paper you would say fold, BUT sometimes it is just about the feel. That is something you cannot be taught watching videos or reading forums. Yes, that stuff is SUPER important, but sometimes you got to go with your gut.

[Tehtoe 3]

waitttt, I'm dumb, I thought the raise was to 180 pre, not shoving 880. Ya, should prob fold pre in an SNG. I'd likely jam if this were an MTT, but I'm kinda nuts in the rebuy period of SSMTTs

[Tehtoe 3]

Basically, I didn't want to gamble and hope for better cards before these guys quit rebuying. I had already doubled up, so my thinking was call 15% of my stack (about 33% of my 8 hands in profit) and hope for A or diamonds on the flop. Anything else, I let it go. Yes, on paper you would say fold, BUT sometimes it is just about the feel. That is something you cannot be taught watching videos or reading forums. Yes, that stuff is SUPER important, but sometimes you got to go with your gut.

this is terrible, and completely incorrect.

[riverrat 0]

HAND #2aOK Here I made an iso shove against UTG donk-bet. Player just got moved to the table and with the min-raise he either was a donk (had one star) or was setting up for a shove/call shove. A9 suited was the bottom of my range here, and I was playing tight so I was trying to use that to my advantage. Got called by the button. He and I were in the top 10 just about the whole time, so I felt I was in trouble here. But, sometimes, you can get lucky. How off was my thinking here??Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.30) t500/t1000 ante t100 - 9 playersUTG: t15,470 UTG+1: t12,474 MP: t8,340 MP2: t8,570 HJ: t9,425 CO: t18,727 (Hero)Button: t22,809 SB: t23,460 BB: t20,880 Preflop: (t2,400) Hero is CO with (9 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t2000, 3 folds, Hero raises to t18627 and is all-in, Button calls t18627, 3 foldsFlop: (t41,654) (2 players)Turn: (t41,654) (2 players)River: (t41,654) (2 players)Hero showed , and won (41654) with a flush, Ace highButton showed , and lost with a pair of QueensHero won t41654-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hand #2bHere, I have been trying to stay out of these situations. I was reminded right after this hand that a 3x UTG raise was not necessary, so I know that is one strike. But, this deep, are you calling 55 off to 2 other shoves? I was just moved to this table, so no reads. I would have called off to the 1st shove, but the second shove made me feel like I was going to make a classic CorvairShaggy get-it-in in a bad flip situation (possibly dominated). After seeing the hand played out from the sidelines, I think this is just results-oriented thinking. The very next hand I found myself in the same spot, but with 44. I opened min-raise, and folded around to button who shoved 20k. Basically my stack vs his on 44. Just seemed like a bad EV spot to make that call. Thoughts??Converting hands till the cows come homePokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.30) t600/t1200 ante t125 - 9 playersSB simakos: t24,043 BB jomotero: t9,808 UTG danielslick7: t19,335 UTG+1 Hero: t36,872 MP BAD-J0HN: t12,159 MP2 Spliff880: t9,509 HJ Aesah: t21,452 CO batraxos7: t22,594 Button Bubuii: t13,439 Preflop: (t2,925) Hero is UTG+1 with (9 players)danielslick7 folds, Hero raises to t3600, BAD-J0HN folds, Spliff880 raises to t9384 and is all-in, Aesah raises to t21327 and is all-in, 4 folds, Hero foldsFlop: (t25,293) (2 players)Turn: (t25,293) (2 players)River: (t25,293) (2 players)Spliff880 showed , and won (25293) with two pair, Sevens and ThreesAesah showed , and lost with a pair of SevensSpliff880 won t25293

A couple of things. Your image doesnt mean a hell of a lot after the all in. You have a very suspicious UTG min raise and then a huge all in as a reraise. Unless you are playing this tournament like Tom Dwan on steroids I don't think anyone else is going to get involved in this hand. Image is very important at times, but with the way this hand is playing out you can kind of throw that out the window (you're either taking down the pot right there or isolating the initial raiser). Second, you mention that he has "one" star. For the most part guys with "any" stars play a ton of poker and generally know what they're doing min raising UTG. I would say that most times this particular guy's range has you crushed. Besides, his min raise was kind of perfect for you to smooth call and see a flop with the suited ace. Once the flop comes you can take control of the hand and you probably don't need a suck out to win it. A semi bluff should be just fine to take it down at that point.

[CorvairShaggy 5]

A couple of things. Your image doesnt mean a hell of a lot after the all in. You have a very suspicious UTG min raise and then a huge all in as a reraise. Unless you are playing this tournament like Tom Dwan on steroids I don't think anyone else is going to get involved in this hand. Image is very important at times, but with the way this hand is playing out you can kind of throw that out the window (you're either taking down the pot right there or isolating the initial raiser). Second, you mention that he has "one" star. For the most part guys with "any" stars play a ton of poker and generally know what they're doing min raising UTG. I would say that most times this particular guy's range has you crushed. Besides, his min raise was kind of perfect for you to smooth call and see a flop with the suited ace. Once the flop comes you can take control of the hand and you probably don't need a suck out to win it. A semi bluff should be just fine to take it down at that point.

My thinking at the time was to take it down there, and I had the A as a backup. I understand now that this is incorrect thinking, but you do bring up a a good point about how to play it post though.

[CorvairShaggy 5]

this is terrible, and completely incorrect.

Ehhhh, yes and no. I don't want to start a whole debate about hocus-pocus alignment of the moon/stars, etc. But In my 10 years of gambling, I have had many strange things that have happened that I cannot ignore. Can I base my play off of my gut feelings all the time. NO. Reason still has to be applied. But sometimes...... If I keep this belief and base my play off of this will I always be a terrible player? Probably so. If I learn and get better at the XXs and OOs and still go with my gut at times, can I be a better player? At this time I would say yes. We all have little quirks/tendencies/etc that makes sense to us, but not to everyone else. Am I a nut job? Maybe. Have I derailed this thread and gone way off topic. Absolutely.

[Tehtoe 3]

Alrighty, have fun!

[donk4life 34]

Ya, like this morning. Usually I masturbate every morning, but today I just had a gut feeling I shouldn't. I'm glad I didn't, because there was no toilet paper to clean myself up with.The alignment of the moon and stars are very important in our decision making process.

[MaxStPolish 4]

I remember when I first started playing hold 'em ~8 years ago. I used to always play J6 off suit. It was "my" hand. I was a poor player. It's okay, I occasionally make posts about hands where I'm caught up in what "would have been". Once the comedown occurs, this is a obvious fold every time.

[tbrick412 0]

Ya, like this morning. Usually I masturbate every morning, but today I just had a gut feeling I shouldn't. I'm glad I didn't, because there was no toilet paper to clean myself up with.The alignment of the moon and stars are very important in our decision making process.

you didnt even have a sock laying around?

[rrumsey 0]

you didnt even have a sock laying around?

this is becoming a true lesson in power poker boys and girls!

[riverrat 0]

Corvair, I think a lot of times you view poker too much from a gambler's perspective. You need to start ignoring that "gut" feeling. If your gut was based on very good reads that you had on the other players I would probably agree with you (it would at least help if your gut told you to make better decisions). You often put your whole stack at risk with no information at all other that what the gambler in you wants to do. Your gut seems to tell you to push w/A9 and AJ. Your one comment about your fallback being an ace is just ridiculous (sorry to be so blunt). You do realize that more often than not you will simply have the weaker ace in most of these situations right? If not, the other guy will probably have a pocket pair and your still getting your money in as a slight to big dog. I don't know about you but I don't see guys call all ins very often w/A8. Go back and read most of your posts on this site. I think you will see a trend. I cetainly have noticed a trend. I know you're trying to get better as we all are, but I seriously think that "gut feeling" play of yours is by far your biggest weakness.

[I_win_all 0]

I never get deep in these. Turbo structure kills my play. :/