Acidic Advice

[KingJames 11]

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[SuperJon 175]

Bet folding is best in spots where the player you're betting into will not likely bluff raise your bet.For example:I have AKo and raise and my opponent calls but I am OOP. The flop is AK4 with 2 spades. I bet and he calls. The turn is a 9. I bet and he calls. The river is the 9 of spades. Now, if I bet here, he will likely pay me off with a lot of Ax hands and I will gain value. He probably never has a 9 and even if he does, he might not raise because the flush got there. Basically, this is a spot where if he raises you, he's got a flush and you should fold, but it's still often profitable to make this bet and then fold since you do get value from many hands that you beat.

I realize I'm replying to a post over 2 years old, but hopefully you or someone can comment.This is actually something that I've been thinking about recently. You say, that when he raises, he's got the flush. I agree, and I would probably bet/fold in this specific example as well.The part I'm wondering about is in these spots, if you're in villain's shoes, would it be profitable to raise 100% of your range on the river?

[Acid_Knight 2]

I realize I'm replying to a post over 2 years old, but hopefully you or someone can comment.This is actually something that I've been thinking about recently. You say, that when he raises, he's got the flush. I agree, and I would probably bet/fold in this specific example as well.The part I'm wondering about is in these spots, if you're in villain's shoes, would it be profitable to raise 100% of your range on the river?

You try to play poker in a way that is unexploitable. The better your opponents are, the more balanced your ranges should be so that you're tougher to exploit because against really good players, betting in a spot where you're never bluffing or another spot where you will never have a hand better than one pair is going to be really bad because you're never going to get paid off when they know you can't be bluffing and you're gonna get raised a ton when they know you can't call them too often.In spots like this and many other similar spots, yeah, it's quite possible that it would be profitable for your opponent to raise 100% of his range on the river for a number of reasons, especially if you don't semibluff a ton and you wouldn't valuebet a hand worse than AK here on the river. So yes, our play might be exploitable if the villain was raising 100% on this river.What you gotta consider is that if he's going to be that out of line, we're going to realize it and we're going to bet/call the river knowing he's bluffing with a high frequency. Most importantly, people don't play that well on average. Just because it would be profitable to raise 100% on this river for your opponent, it doesn't mean he's going to do it. If he's a better player, he might consider it, but then it rolls right into the last statement about how you'll see he's out of line and then start bet/calling here. It's really simple: you can play exploitably in certain spots if your opponents aren't going to exploit you. At lower stakes and against weaker opponents, they will rarely be raising you as bluffs in a spot like this even though it might be very profitable to do so and since they won't be exploiting you, your exploitable play has become much less of a leak than it would otherwise be.

[nutzzcase 0]

thoughts?Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 2 playersButton: $52.25 BB: $102.15 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (2 players)Button raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, Button calls $3Flop: ($9.00) (2 players)Hero bets $7.50, Button calls $7.50Turn: ($24.00) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $12, Hero calls $12River: ($48.00) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $28.25, and is all in, Hero calls $28.25(Rake: $0.50)

[Acid_Knight 2]

Don't post HU hands without reads or history.

[mtdesmoines 3]

thoughts?Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 2 playersButton: $52.25 BB: $102.15 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (2 players)Button raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, Button calls $3Flop: ($9.00) (2 players)Hero bets $7.50, Button calls $7.50Turn: ($24.00) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $12, Hero calls $12River: ($48.00) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $28.25, and is all in, Hero calls $28.25(Rake: $0.50)

Turn is always a fold. Bigger flop bet?

[Acid_Knight 2]

Turn is always a fold. Bigger flop bet?

No and no. This is a heads up hand.

[nutzzcase 0]

This was hand #25. At this point I don't have much information. I thought villain was aggresive but wouldn't thin value bet. (I believed his range would be polarized when he'd bet strong). I assumed this because he didn't try to get much value from medium pairs or top pair bad kickers. He would however 3 bet and continuation bet a lot. After stacking him once, I also thought he would become more aggresive. The only hands that made sense for me in this particular situation were A10 and AQ. I thought he would 4bet AQ preflop the way he was playing so that left me with A10 or a bluff...(he actually had AQ )

[Acid_Knight 2]

After 25 hands, you should have a pretty reasonable idea of what kind of player he is. If you don't think he's going to bluff you, then you could bet/fold the turn or in this case, when you c/c the turn, I think you should c/f the river. He's just not bluffing that frequently for only about a 1/2 PSB and you can't really beat many hands at all here and he's never valuebetting worse. The other thing is that if he had something like JT, he doesn't need to bet the river and most of his Jx hands would've had a pair to go with them (like QJ or JT) or are beating you (like KJ, AJ, J9 and J8) and so what you really beat is exactly a random flush draw without the ace in it. I think c/cing the turn when he bets so small is fine, but you should c/f the river.

[ncperrotta069 0]

After 25 hands, you should have a pretty reasonable idea of what kind of player he is. If you don't think he's going to bluff you, then you could bet/fold the turn or in this case, when you c/c the turn, I think you should c/f the river. He's just not bluffing that frequently for only about a 1/2 PSB and you can't really beat many hands at all here and he's never valuebetting worse. The other thing is that if he had something like JT, he doesn't need to bet the river and most of his Jx hands would've had a pair to go with them (like QJ or JT) or are beating you (like KJ, AJ, J9 and J8) and so what you really beat is exactly a random flush draw without the ace in it. I think c/cing the turn when he bets so small is fine, but you should c/f the river.

well said sir, do u coach?

[KingJames 11]

Acid_Knight,I went out for pizza tonight. After ordering my slices to go, the dude behind the counter discovered his cash registered had broken, so he gave me my pizza for free. I obv hooked him up with a good tip.The question is, will running so far over pizza ev lead me to get crushed when I sit down to play poker next?And I won't accept any "don't believe in superstitions" or "karma isn't real" answers. I demand to know if my pizza ev will directly influence my all-in evThanksJames

[Acid_Knight 2]

I demand to know if my pizza ev will directly influence my all-in ev

Depends if you're bulimic and if the pizza going all in will result in you outdrawing it, so to speak.

[KingJames 11]

Sigh, free pizza curse is real

[KingJames 11]

Acid_Knight,I am quite impatient, and thus hate to use the wait lists, so i start tables bc fish also hate to wait for a seat. I often get crushed HU bc they don't like to fold and making pairs is hard.But I had an epiphany and I'm pretty sure I'm ready to go HU pro, wug thoughts?Moooooooooooraaawwwr.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 2 playersButton fulback no7: $9.55 BB Hero: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with (2 players)fulback no7 calls $0.15, Hero checksFlop: ($0.50) (2 players)Hero checks, fulback no7 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25Turn: ($1.00) (2 players)Hero checks, fulback no7 bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75River: ($2.50) (2 players)Hero checks, fulback no7 bets $1.50, Hero raises to $23.75, and is all in, fulback no7 calls $6.80, and is all infulback no7 mucked Hero showed , and won ($18.60) with a full house, Twos full of SevensHero won $18.60(Rake: $0.50)I mean, if I can win with 72o, I am gonna be one of the greatest HU players ever.

[QED 4]

Did he ship you the extra $500 for having 72o?

[Acid_Knight 2]

Heads up is dead unless you're playing me.

[droberts 3]

Heads up is dead unless you're playing me.

hu4rollz.... 2nl tho.. so we can play deeeeeeeep

[trystero 0]

I mean, if I can win with 72o, I am gonna be one of the greatest HU players ever.

you already are

[KingJames 11]

I went to the pizza place for lunch today.They have a lunch combo with two slices and drink, ship it to goI ordered an Arnold Palmer (1/2 iced tea, 1/2 lemonade if you are unaware) and got my slices and leave. As I'm driving home I sip the drink and it's all iced tea :(I don't hate iced tea but I don't really like it either. It needs lemonade to make it awesomePizza ev converging. Pizza Manager isn't working or I would share my garf with ev line, but I'm still running way over ev due to the free slices, but it's coming back down

[Acid_Knight 2]

I almost always order Arnold Palmers when I go out to eat and I'm not drinking alcohol.

[CaneBrain 95]

I almost always order Arnold Palmers when I go out to eat and I'm not drinking alcohol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLxKSvkpE1Y

[Acid_Knight 2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLxKSvkpE1Y

[KingJames 11]

My friends like to add vodka and call them John Daly's

[CobaltBlue 662]

My friends like to add vodka and call them John Daly's

Some of my friends and I like to mix sweet tea with pink lemonade and call it a Tiger Woods.

[uncooper 1]

My friends like to add vodka and call them John Daly's

Add dark rum instead, and you've got yourself a Tom Arnold.