Massachusetts Ballot Initiative

[Balloon guy 158]

Did you know that most murders, before they kill, torture bugs and insects.Therefore, it obviously follows that if we prevent the torture of bugs and insects, we will prevent all murder!It also follow that anyone who kills bugs will one day kill humans. That's just a fact.

Well I killed cats first...

[CaneBrain 95]

You like to gamble with the children of the future.. country... the kids?And it's pretty much causation that once you overdose on pot, you start thinking: "Hey, I survived this, maybe I can overdose on HEROIN"And you know what?You can't

:rolleyes:They are already overdosing under the current policy. I will take the chance based on scientific evidence that drug use will fall and that increased treatment and regulated supply will limit overdoses than keeping the current policy that has proven over time to produce an unacceptable level of overdoses.You are not even gambling with the children's lives. You are picking a proven route to a high amount of overdoses. That's not very Christian of you.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

You like to gamble with the children of the future.. country... the kids?And it's pretty much causation that once you overdose on pot, you start thinking: "Hey, I survived this, maybe I can overdose on HEROIN"And you know what?You can't

It's more like: "Hey, the government, christians, and stupid people (all not mutually exclusive) said that pot was the root of all evil and would ruin my life, but all it did was make me feel silly for an hour or so and listen to Joni Mitchell. Maybe the government also lied about harder drugs?"If pot is a gateway, it's a gateway to distrusting the government, christians, and stupid people (all not mutually exclusive).

[Balloon guy 158]

:rolleyes:They are already overdosing under the current policy. I will take the chance based on scientific evidence that drug use will fall and that increased treatment and regulated supply will limit overdoses than keeping the current policy that has proven over time to produce an unacceptable level of overdoses.You are not even gambling with the children's lives. You are picking a proven route to a high amount of overdoses. That's not very Christian of you.

Oh goody.You are going to present us with the scientific proof that the war on drugs has made drug use worse than it would have been had all drugs been legal for the last 100 years.When you're done, I want you to show me what would have happened had Clay beat Ruben in AI1 so we could see if Ruben's life would have been different.

[Balloon guy 158]

It's more like: "Hey, the government, christians, and stupid people (all not mutually exclusive) said that pot was the root of all evil and would ruin my life, but all it did was make me feel silly for an hour or so and listen to Joni Mitchell. Maybe the government also lied about harder drugs?"If pot is a gateway, it's a gateway to distrusting the government, christians, and stupid people (all not mutually exclusive).

So making something illegal makes people want to do it?So cheating on my taxes is a result of there being a law against cheating on my taxes?I knew I was the victim, must be my republican, Christian, intelligent design thinking ( not mutually exclusive ) skills that prevented me from seeing this before.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

So making something illegal makes people want to do it?

That wasn't quite the point I was making.

[Balloon guy 158]

That wasn't quite the point I was making.

You have an apparent inability to distinguish between correlation and causality.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

A blood test can tell if you are currently high. (It is no as accurate as alcohol for either blood or breath in determining level of intoxication)A urine test can tell if you have smoked within 30 days give or take.A hair test can test about 2 weeks after ingestion, to as long as the hair is. Each 1/2 inch is about a month. Most hair test only test about 90 days worth of hair.EDIT: Hi BigD

[vbnautilus 48]

I think caffeine is the gateway drug.

[Balloon guy 158]

I think caffeine is the gateway drug.

He says as he sips his 4th Starbucks triple espresso of the day.

[speedz99 145]

he got pulled over on the highway tripping balls. the officer asked him, "son, do you know how fast you were going?" and he replied, "about 75, probably. i'm sorry, officer."the officer then says, "FIVE. you were going FIVE miles per hour.

Isn't that a scene from Black Sheep?

But on a serious note...have you done any other drugs besides smoking pot?

Alcohol - Weed - Other Drugs (hallucinogens a few times)Do you think that if all marijuana disappeared from the face of the earth it would keep any dangerous drug user from doing drugs in the first place? To me, a "dangerous drug" is one that seems to prompt users to harm another person as part of the drug cycle, whether it's to get money to buy drugs or while high on said drugs. You know...heroin, coke, crack, meth, etc.

Thorny: [after pulling car over] Do you know how fast you were going back there?College Boy 1: Umm... 65?Thorny: 63.College Boy 1: But... isn't the speed limit 65?Thorny: Yes, it is.College Boy 3: [stoned] I'm freakin' out, man!

You stopped right before the best line.Thorny: You are freaking out........man!

Well I killed cats first...

Youuuuu sonofabitch.

[Balloon guy 158]

Alcohol - Weed - Other Drugs (hallucinogens a few times)Do you think that if all marijuana disappeared from the face of the earth it would keep any dangerous drug user from doing drugs in the first place? To me, a "dangerous drug" is one that seems to prompt users to harm another person as part of the drug cycle, whether it's to get money to buy drugs or while high on said drugs. You know...heroin, coke, crack, meth, etc.

If there was no weed ever, then there would be no pot heads. well they would be here, but they wouldn't be pot heads.They would probably be known by their original name...wasted youth

[speedz99 145]

If there was no weed ever, then there would be no pot heads. well they would be here, but they wouldn't be pot heads.They would probably be known by their original name...wasted youth

You know, the hippies of your generation ended up doing pretty well for themselves. And most of the pot heads I was friends with in high school and college are, by any standards, good citizens. I'm no sure if you were arguing the contrary, but I'm just sayin'. It's not like there's a large population of adult weed fiends that sit home all day, collecting unemployment and devouring funyuns. Maybe there's a population of people like that, but it's not like they were going to leave the trailer park and make something of themselves anyway.What's my point? Who knows anymore.

[hblask 1]

...and I have no actual statistics for this statement, but I'd bet that the VAST MAJORITY (guess who I picked up that phrase from?) of heroin(e), coke, speed, crack, and acid users tried MJ first. Yeah, it isn't cause & effect (ie statistical "Gateway" Drug), but from a purely anecdotal perspective, I've NEVER met a single"hard" drug user who didn't try MJ first.

100% of cocaine users initially drank milk.Just sayin'.

[hblask 1]

You are going to present us with the scientific proof that the war on drugs has made drug use worse than it would have been had all drugs been legal for the last 100 years.

Every indication is that prohibition increases drug abuse. I have provided several examples of this. If you believe the opposite, provide one contrary example.

[hblask 1]

Approximately 40% of the US population has tried pot at some point. If you really believe it should be illegal, then you believe that 40% of the US population would be better off with a felony on their record. And that 40% of the population has ruined their lives with marijuana.Look, the whole argument is ridiculous. There are too many responsible pot users and too much statistical evidence on the harm of prohibition to pretend that the Insane War on Drugs is anything other than some puritanical moral crusade, results be damned.

[Balloon guy 158]

Every indication is that prohibition increases drug abuse. I have provided several examples of this. If you believe the opposite, provide one contrary example.

You also provided studies that said being stoned doesn't change your ability to drive a car.How can we believe any of these studies?

[Balloon guy 158]

Approximately 40% of the US population has tried pot at some point. If you really believe it should be illegal, then you believe that 40% of the US population would be better off with a felony on their record. And that 40% of the population has ruined their lives with marijuana.Look, the whole argument is ridiculous. There are too many responsible pot users and too much statistical evidence on the harm of prohibition to pretend that the Insane War on Drugs is anything other than some puritanical moral crusade, results be damned.

The problem is that if we go your route, then the bolded can become exponentially worse for society, but it will be too late to do anything but watch a whole country suffer.

[hblask 1]

The problem is that if we go your route, then the bolded can become exponentially worse for society, but it will be too late to do anything but watch a whole country suffer.

But without data or history to back you up, that irrational fear could be used to justify turning us into a totalitarian country without morals. I would like to think that reality should play a significant part in our policymaking, not just made-up fearmongering.

[vbnautilus 48]

If there was no weed ever, then there would be no pot heads. well they would be here, but they wouldn't be pot heads.They would probably be known by their original name...wasted youth

or "top scholars"

[Balloon guy 158]

But without data or history to back you up, that irrational fear could be used to justify turning us into a totalitarian country without morals. I would like to think that reality should play a significant part in our policymaking, not just made-up fearmongering.

Calling being worried about the effects of unrestricted access to heroin, crack, meth and lsd irrational..isn't very rational

[Balloon guy 158]

or "top scholars"

Or future drunks

[checkymcfold 0]

Isn't that a scene from Black Sheep?

if it is, my stoner college friend just lost the best story he ever told.

[vbnautilus 48]

if it is, my stoner college friend just lost the best story he ever told.

Motorcycle Cop: [Mike and Steve are borrowing their friend's souped up police cruiser. However, a harsh bump in the road broke the seal on the nitrous system and nitrous oxide has been leaking in to the car. They've just been pulled over] Tell me, officer, do you have any idea how fast you were going? Mike: Well, I got a 426 hemi here, 3/4 cams, nitro boosters, I can get 'er up to as good as 155! Never do, though, of course, unless I'm chasing a cute chick in a Ferrari! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I guess I was goin' about... 65, tops. Motorcycle Cop: SEVEN! SEVEN miles an hour! And normally, when I stop people, they pull onto the *shoulder*!

[loogie 115]

Guys, why are we still debating? I already won this thread. Weed is legal now. You're welcome.