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[KingJames 11]

Don't really see another option tbh... there are definitely worse cards than a ten as well

true on all accounts... and I need to c/r largerThat hand was going on during the KT hand and I didn't think it through enough

[Ninja Ace 1]

true on all accounts... and I need to c/r larger

How do you figure? I like the size considering it makes it really hard for him to fold anything and leaves almost exactly a psb left.I mean, pricing out draws has its merrits and stuff... but with people uberfastplaying almost every draw now I tend to try to get value from other handsJust cuz you lost the hand and shoved when you were behind doesn't mean you did anything incorrectly

[poker student 0]

Pokerstars is actually .05 per $1 in the pot to a max of $3 in No Limit games with 6-9 players. So if you shove your $10 thats $1 that goes to the rake(if villian calls shove). So yes I do consider that a fair amount.Because I am currently at ps, I am curious on what you mean by you can qualify for rakeback once you hit silver.Kosin Trouble

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.comTotal pot: $3.05 | Rake: $0.10

[Ninja Ace 1]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.comUTG ($12.50)MP1 ($7.05)MP2 ($8.85)Hero (CO) ($11.40)Button ($10)SB ($13.95)BB ($26.75)Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K1 fold, MP1 bets $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, MP2 calls $0.90Flop: ($2.85) 3, Q, 5(2 players)MP2 bets $0.10, Hero raises to $2.85, 1 foldTotal pot: $3.05 | Rake: $10.10Wow we played almost exactly the same hand! difference is I lost money on the hand to the rake :(nice try though

[poker student 0]

Their VIP is not rakeback... it's a bonus system. And you'll get about 5-10% at silverstar... and it will take a while to get even the 5000pt $50 bonus. You pretty much need to be supernova or supernova elite to actually beat out the rakeback systems at other sites.AP/UB is probably your best bet... since you aren't playing high enough yet to get destroyed the extra rake at their BBJ tables, you can get 30% RB... you have basically unlimited albeit slowly releasing bonus dollars, and their points are pretty much worth a penny per point with the point exchange, since it's unlikely you put enough volume in a month to max it out.FT is your next best bet bc you get weekly RB at 27%, which can help give you that extra umph to take a shot higher a fortnight earlier. The action is pretty decent at the micros although you'll have to table select a little bit.And actually, since the rake has a cap in dollar amounts, not percentage, rake hurts the most in the micros. You need to be playing at at least $50NL before you start seeing a significant rake reduction due to the cap.p.s. if you're going to try to make me look like an ass then at least get your grade school grammar down

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[hartman72 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.comUTG ($12.50)MP1 ($7.05)MP2 ($8.85)Hero (CO) ($11.40)Button ($10)SB ($13.95)BB ($26.75)Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K1 fold, MP1 bets $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, MP2 calls $0.90Flop: ($2.85) 3, Q, 5(2 players)MP2 bets $0.10, Hero raises to $2.85, 1 foldTotal pot: $3.05 | Rake: $10.10Wow we played almost exactly the same hand! difference is I lost money on the hand to the rake :(nice try though

That would be a reraise

[Ninja Ace 1]

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[KingJames 11]

I lost 6bi and won 3 back... after 1500 hands of not winning a hand, i won a few... my favorite:This converter is going to be a cash cow...Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersBB: $15.72 UTG: $28.71 CO: $26.70 Button: $28.89 (Hero)SB: $31.23 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (5 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.65, SB folds, BB calls $0.40Flop: ($1.40) (2 players)BB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1Turn: ($4.40) (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $2.75, BB calls $2.75River: ($9.90) (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB calls $10.82, and is all inBB mucked Hero showed , and won ($29.97) with a straight, Five highHero won $29.97(Rake: $1.57)One of those rivers at the tail end of a long session where you have to actively count to make sure you have the straight

[KingJames 11]

How do you figure? I like the size considering it makes it really hard for him to fold anything and leaves almost exactly a psb left.I mean, pricing out draws has its merrits and stuff... but with people uberfastplaying almost every draw now I tend to try to get value from other handsJust cuz you lost the hand and shoved when you were behind doesn't mean you did anything incorrectly

Yeah, and if I made it slightly larger, then it's even less compared to the pot and the shove is even easier for him to call if he still has pair + draw or whatev...today was lulz, at the lowest point, I also went to breakeven for the month, then I won some back... oh well back to battle tomorrow

[QED 4]

Results aside, we cool with jamming the turn? Not the card I wanted to see, but I thought I'd get calls from a lot worse, especially over pairs and 9x combos.. and J9

I had a similar hand the other day my thoughts is may be there is a slight argument that check/calling a shove is better than shoving. They have to have a hand to call but there is a chance (probably very small) that you can get them to do something totally spazzy if you let them do the shoving. I guess it's player dependent though, if the villain is aggressive or passive.

[trystero 0]

Not to be a dick but you don't know what your talking about. I have over doubled my money with out the use of software. I just got HEM not that long ago.

The guy gives you good advice, and actually in a fairly civil manner, and for some reason you immediately turn hostile. lol poker playersObviously anyone with a clue can beat 5nl/10nl on any site; it's that easy. His point is that it's not as profitable on PStars at your limits as it'd be elsewhere. When you're at 10nl, 2-3BIs per week from RB is helpful.

[poker student 0]

This has got to be a troll account. I refuse to believe anybody is that stupidand if you're real... i hope you deposit on a Pitbull type site kidDID YOU HEAR?????!!!!!11111onehundredelevenWWW.ISWEARWEARENOTAFLYBYNIGHTPOKERSITETHATWILLSTEALYOURMOBNIES.COM OFFERS UP TO 400% THAT'S FOUR HUNDRED PERCENT RAKEBACK! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GIVE US YOUR SSN, BIRTH CERTIFICATE, PIN NUMBER, DRIVERS LICENSE NUMBER, AND MOTHERS MAIDEN NAME AND YOU'RE IN FOR THE PROGRAM. THIS IS A LIMITED TIME OFFER BECAUSE YOU ARE THE 1526425823409TH PERSON TO VISIT OUR SITE. CHECK YOUR INBOX, WE SENT YOU FIVE GAGILLION EMAILS FROM UNRECOGNIZABLE SOURCES!

LoLYour such a dumb ass even Doyles Room offers 33% rake back.

[poker student 0]

0.01/0.02 NL Avg pot less than $1 no rake almost all the time.0.02/0.05 NL Avg pot $1 a lot of hands won't make enough $$$ for you to pay a rake0.05/0.10 NL Avg pot $1-3.60 hands $4.40 made rake paid $0.65. 0.30(0.65)=0.20 I would get back @ 30%. 99 hands $10.30 made rake paid $0.81.0.81(0.30)=0.24 I would get back @ 30%This isn't going to make or break a player.At $50NL maybe even $25NL the rake back might start to make a difference but saying its going to kill you at micros is bull shit.

[poker student 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.comLoL Your just talking out of your ass. I didn't change anything. I'll even sent the HEM display showing it but whats the point as you won't admit your a dumb ass.UTG ($12.50)MP1 ($7.05)MP2 ($8.85)Hero (CO) ($11.40)Button ($10)SB ($13.95)BB ($26.75)Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K1 fold, MP1 bets $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, MP2 calls $0.90Flop: ($2.85) 3, Q, 5(2 players)MP2 bets $0.10, Hero raises to $2.85, 1 foldTotal pot: $3.05 | Rake: $10.10Wow we played almost exactly the same hand! difference is I lost money on the hand to the rake :(nice try though

LoL Your just talking out of your ass. I didn't change anything. I'll even sent the HEM display showing it but whats the point as you won't admit your a dumb ass.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.comMP2 ($18.35)Hero (MP3) ($9.35)CO ($10.65)Button ($14.75)SB ($10.45)BB ($10.15)UTG ($10.40)UTG+1 ($10.15)MP1 ($6.45)Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7, 92 folds, MP1 bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, Button calls $0.20, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.10Flop: ($1.20) 8, 2, 5(6 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.75, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.75Turn: ($2.70) K(2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.75, MP1 calls $1.75River: ($6.20) K(2 players)MP1 bets $1.50, Hero raises to $6.65 (All-In), MP1 calls $2.25 (All-In)Total pot: $13.70 | Rake: $0.65Results:MP1 mucked A, K (three of a kind, Kings).Hero had 7, 9 (flush, King high).Outcome: Hero won $13.05

[Ninja Ace 1]

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[QED 4]

I play around 3500 hands a week on fulltilt at 10NL and get 1 buy in rake back from that. That is an extra 1.4 BB/100 to my win rate which isn't bad.

[poker student 0]

LoL Ass clownyour such a loser

[trystero 0]

I lost 6bi and won 3 back... after 1500 hands of not winning a hand, i won a few... my favorite:This converter is going to be a cash cow...Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersBB: $15.72 UTG: $28.71 CO: $26.70 Button: $28.89 (Hero)SB: $31.23 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (5 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.65, SB folds, BB calls $0.40Flop: ($1.40) (2 players)BB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1Turn: ($4.40) (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $2.75, BB calls $2.75River: ($9.90) (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB calls $10.82, and is all inBB mucked Hero showed , and won ($29.97) with a straight, Five highHero won $29.97(Rake: $1.57)One of those rivers at the tail end of a long session where you have to actively count to make sure you have the straight

when a SS fish bet/calls otf, I just take a freebie on the turnminor point but I make it $2 otf

[droberts 3]

v1.22Converted by a herd of feral cowsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersSB kc-da rookie: $20.24 BB beeeluvv: $17.55 UTG khaoudyyassin: $46.01 UTG+1 TinkyTyler: $26.00 CO edurock82: $25.13 Button Hero: $26.55 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with : : (6 players)khaoudyyassin raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, kc-da rookie folds, beeeluvv calls $2.50, khaoudyyassin calls $2Flop: ($8.35) : : : (3 players)beeeluvv checks, khaoudyyassin checks, Hero bets $5.75, beeeluvv calls $5.75, khaoudyyassin calls $5.75Turn: ($25.60) : (3 players)beeeluvv checks, khaoudyyassin checks, Hero checksRiver: ($25.60) : (3 players)beeeluvv checks, khaoudyyassin checks, Hero checkswhat we think here guys? is this the best line.reason for 3bet is UTG is opening really wide.

[trystero 0]

stats?in general lightly 3-betting a positionally-aware UTG raiser is suspicious. you shouldn't 3-bet imo based solely upon the looseness of an open; it should really be about how villain responds to 3-bets. I think I like shoving river, trying to fold out chops and to get hero called. No one should ever have qq/aq/99/ak here. but it depends on the stats/tendencies of everyone involved, like if beeeluvv is tight then I like a river check because he certainly can have AK and he should never have AJ.

[trystero 0]

you guys want to get a 25nl game going at some point? I'm bored with poker grinding but I'd like to play (nit) around with y'all.

[droberts 3]

i might play some 2nl or 5nl with u sometime, but i would prefer not to play my normal limit with someone who knows what they are doin.. too much fish to try and win mobneys from.

[trystero 0]

I'll play whatever y'all want. I just want to play poker as a game to be enjoyed and not as a grind to be suffered.

[KosinTrouble 0]

i might play some 2nl or 5nl with u sometime, but i would prefer not to play my normal limit with someone who knows what they are doin.. too much fish to try and win mobneys from.

I would do the 5nl with you guysKosin Trouble

[babylondonks 5]

you guys want to get a 25nl game going at some point? I'm bored with poker grinding but I'd like to play (nit) around with y'all.

inif you wanna play for serious it might be worth trying to record it