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Bad policy in some states is hardly justification for bad policy in other states. Freedom and individual rights are still the gold standard of governance.
So how exactly does showing some id take away your freedom and your rights?
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So how exactly does showing some id take away your freedom and your rights?
Because it is the government's way of causing you to....carry a wallet?Yea, I got nothing.
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They randomly pull people over in Vermont to check for ID because some of the 9-11 terrorist came through Canada ( Makes you think....Canada...hmmmm.....)So far the American's in Vermont have decided carrying their driver's license around isn't the first step to the concentration camps of one of the previous democrat presidential administrations...
That is an urban myth.None of the 9/11 Terrorists entered the US through Canada.
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That is an urban myth.None of the 9/11 Terrorists entered the US through Canada.
So you are saying that they were actually Canadians in the first place?
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So you are saying that they were actually Canadians in the first place?
Yup, it's why this guy keeps getting pulled over for extra screening at the border now.DudleyDoright.gif
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So how exactly does showing some id take away your freedom and your rights?
Because it opens the door for selective enforcement and abuse of power. And if I'm going across the street to the gym, it's a pain to have to carry an ID. And because the government doesn't own me, and I've got nothing to prove to them. They work for me, and I am innocent until proven guilty. So, no, my employees do not get to make random, intrusive demands.Is that enough, or should I keep going? I could fill a book with a list of violations of human rights that are done against innocent people in the name of the common good.
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There won't be any racial profiling. We promise. Trust us. Seriously.PHOENIX – A Valley man says he was pulled over Wednesday morning and questioned when he arrived at a weigh station for his commercial vehicle along Val Vista and the 202 freeway. Abdon, who did not want to use his last name, says he provided several key pieces of information but what he provided apparently was not what was needed. He tells 3TV, “I don’t think it’s correct, if I have to take my birth certificate with me all the time.” 3TV caught up with Abdon after he was released from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in central Phoenix. He and his wife, Jackie, are still upset about what happened to him. Jackie tells 3TV, “It’s still something awful to be targeted. I can’t even imagine what he felt, people watching like he was some type of criminal.” Abdon was told he did not have enough paperwork on him when he pulled into a weigh station to have his commercial truck checked. He provided his commercial driver’s license and a social security number but ended up handcuffed. An agent called his wife and she had to leave work to drive home and grab other documents like his birth certificate. Jackie explains, “I have his social security card as well and mine. He’s legit. It’s the first time it’s ever happened.” Both were born in the United States and say they are now both infuriated that keeping important documents safely at home is no longer an option.

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It's like the GOP is not even remotely interested in contesting the Latino vote.This was inevitable but I do cringe at the media so obviously staking out the ICE in Arizona waiting on pins and needles for this to happen. Just another way for the government to hassle you.....small government iz hard.

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There won't be any racial profiling. We promise. Trust us. Seriously.PHOENIX – A Valley man says he was pulled over Wednesday morning and questioned when he arrived at a weigh station for his commercial vehicle along Val Vista and the 202 freeway. Abdon, who did not want to use his last name, says he provided several key pieces of information but what he provided apparently was not what was needed. He tells 3TV, “I don’t think it’s correct, if I have to take my birth certificate with me all the time.” 3TV caught up with Abdon after he was released from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in central Phoenix. He and his wife, Jackie, are still upset about what happened to him. Jackie tells 3TV, “It’s still something awful to be targeted. I can’t even imagine what he felt, people watching like he was some type of criminal.” Abdon was told he did not have enough paperwork on him when he pulled into a weigh station to have his commercial truck checked. He provided his commercial driver’s license and a social security number but ended up handcuffed. An agent called his wife and she had to leave work to drive home and grab other documents like his birth certificate. Jackie explains, “I have his social security card as well and mine. He’s legit. It’s the first time it’s ever happened.” Both were born in the United States and say they are now both infuriated that keeping important documents safely at home is no longer an option.
Seriously? Wow, what a joke! And what was the reason for pulling him over in the first place?
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Seriously? Wow, what a joke! And what was the reason for pulling him over in the first place?
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Seriously? Wow, what a joke! And what was the reason for pulling him over in the first place?
The way I read he is a commercial truck driver and was driving his truck and went into the weigh station on the highway like all trucks have to and because he doesn't have blue eyes he was put in cuffs even though he is American born and had his driver's license and everything else was normal.
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I love the histrionics and conclusion jumping over this. Is there anything in the story that indicates that this action was in any way related to the law being discussed? The AZ law is a State Law giving limited new limited powers to Law Enforcement officers in the State to request Immigration papers - the law goes into effect in 90 days after the close of the legislative session. The Story references ICE which is a Federal agency not affected by the law. This is a Status Quo event and not even in any way related to the new AZ State Law.

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I love the histrionics and conclusion jumping over this. Is there anything in the story that indicates that this action was in any way related to the law being discussed? The AZ law is a State Law giving limited new limited powers to Law Enforcement officers in the State to request Immigration papers - the law goes into effect in 90 days after the close of the legislative session. The Story references ICE which is a Federal agency not affected by the law. This is a Status Quo event and not even in any way related to the new AZ State Law.
So we'll see more of this then in 90 days since both ICE and the state police can do this now - cool
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I love the histrionics and conclusion jumping over this. Is there anything in the story that indicates that this action was in any way related to the law being discussed? The AZ law is a State Law giving limited new limited powers to Law Enforcement officers in the State to request Immigration papers - the law goes into effect in 90 days after the close of the legislative session. The Story references ICE which is a Federal agency not affected by the law. This is a Status Quo event and not even in any way related to the new AZ State Law.
Yeah, it's just a coincidence that redneck racist cops decided now was a good time to harass a native born citizen who just happens to be Hispanic.Oh by the way, I have a bridge for sale, c'mon down and I'll show it to you sometime.
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Yeah, it's just a coincidence that redneck racist cops decided now was a good time to harass a native born citizen who just happens to be Hispanic.Oh by the way, I have a bridge for sale, c'mon down and I'll show it to you sometime.
Yeah. You don't have a bias. Clearly from that story all ICE Agent are redneck Racists who are looking for an excuse to hassle Hispanic citizens. Their dream came true when AZ passed a State law.
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So far the American's in Vermont have decided carrying their driver's license around isn't the first step to the concentration camps of one of the previous democrat presidential administrations...
Apropos of not much, but interesting trivia: Vermont is also the home of the nation's most generous concealed-carry law and also home to more people in the Witness Protection Program than any other state in the union. The two are related: people in the program often go armed.
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If you can't carry some i.d. to help secure the borders and make the country a better place then seriously you should GTFO. Illegals are a real problem and cost tons of real money. I'm an American and I should not have to worry about getting rear ended by an illegal and getting shafted because he has no insurance, and not being able to sue him because he just got a ride home (yes, this happened to me when I was 17). I also should not have to learn Spanish to carry out day to day business from places that higher illegals, I did not take Spanish in high school on purpose. And I have news for all the Mexicans that wave the Mexican flag everywhere and always cry about being picked on, illegals are bad for them too. I mean c'mon people it's an i.d. for shits sake if you can't handle that you should be arrested and harrased for being a jackass. The sad truth is that this isn't going to start racial profiling, it already exists. Getting rid of it is not going to end racial profiling, people are human, not fairy tale characters. Maybe once the gov gets off its ass and deals with this problem there won't be a need for things like this, and you may not understand if you don't live in a place where the problem is insane, but things need to be done about it.

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1st: Never listen to truck drivers. They want the right to drive 18 hours with bad tires overweight and uninsured. They always complain.2nd: Cops can pull over anyone anytime while you are driving and you are required to have proof of license, insurance, etc. This new law does nothing to change that.3rd: California recently had a vote to give illegals driver's licenses. It's nice to know that they will not actually need them since we are afraid of a police state and will therefore not enforce any laws that might cause us to be responsible citizens, freedom and anarchy are not interrelated.4th: I say we invade Canada now to lessen the need for ID checks on that border.

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If you can't carry some i.d. to help secure the borders and make the country a better place then seriously you should GTFO.
So if you carry your drivers license and give your social security number and end up in handcuffs, you're fine with that?
2nd: Cops can pull over anyone anytime while you are driving and you are required to have proof of license, insurance, etc. This new law does nothing to change that.
Didn't he have all the requirements?
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So if you carry your drivers license and give your social security number and end up in handcuffs, you're fine with that?Didn't he have all the requirements?
1. If I don't have the proper i.d. required by law, and I'm legitimately suspected of something, yes. I know if it is happening to me it will happen to illegals and other criminals rather than just sending them on their merry way.(I suppose this is an absurd way of thinking though, I should think more that if someone gets pulled over and is brown he shouldn't be asked for a driver license or checked for warrants or anything. He may be illegal, wanted for killing a family of five, robbing three 7-11's, and raped my neighbors dog, but the most important thing is that no one is offended.(If you think that is crazy far fetched it is one hell of a lot closer to reality than the u.s. becoming a police state with a Nazi gestapo running around from checking if people are legal.))2. He had a drivers license and gave a verbal social. I can show you a drivers license that is not mine and tell you a social that is not mine. Are there any versions of this story that have the officers side? Their reasoning for suspecting something?If the truck driver incident was just racial profiling, it is very sad. You would not have heard about it however, if it were six months ago. It still would have happened under the federal law, the current bill goes into effect 90 days after signing, this was not done under the bill being discussed. I agree with the fact they are training police officers to determine someone's legal status, and I believe any officer found abusing their power (in any way) should have the book thrown at them. A lot better use of people's time instead of protesting and crying about being picked on would be to push for reform in the way police officers are chosen and trained, so that the "rednecks" that everyone are so sure are "just out to get 'dem beaners" are not allowed to become police officers. I'm sure if we took even a fraction of the money saved from having less illegals we could implement advanced training programs for officers.Just wondering also are the Hispanic police officers, which make up the majority of officers I see here, going to forget all of their duties too and just go brown people hunting? Or because they are Hispanic, and not racially profiled as a "redneck," do they have some super power, that allows them to enforce the law adequately and with respect, that all other officers surely will lack."illegal is not a race it is a crime""We trust police to protect us, give them guns, let them make life and death decisions, but we can't trust them to call immigration?"
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If you can't carry some i.d. to help secure the borders and make the country a better place then seriously you should GTFO. Illegals are a real problem and cost tons of real money. I'm an American and I should not have to worry about getting rear ended by an illegal and getting shafted because he has no insurance, and not being able to sue him because he just got a ride home (yes, this happened to me when I was 17). I also should not have to learn Spanish to carry out day to day business from places that higher illegals, I did not take Spanish in high school on purpose. And I have news for all the Mexicans that wave the Mexican flag everywhere and always cry about being picked on, illegals are bad for them too. I mean c'mon people it's an i.d. for shits sake if you can't handle that you should be arrested and harrased for being a jackass. The sad truth is that this isn't going to start racial profiling, it already exists. Getting rid of it is not going to end racial profiling, people are human, not fairy tale characters. Maybe once the gov gets off its ass and deals with this problem there won't be a need for things like this, and you may not understand if you don't live in a place where the problem is insane, but things need to be done about it.
Sigh.Look. I'm not anti Immigrant and DO NOT support mandatory ID for Citizens. The mindsets you spew here are EXACTLY why H and others are uncomfortable with the legislation.
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Didn't he have all the requirements?
Frankly there weren't enough facts in that very brief article to adequately determine what happened. That article was just a Rorschach Test - an Ink Blot that allows people to demonstrate their own biases and mindsets by filing in the blanks.
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2nd: Cops can pull over anyone anytime while you are driving and you are required to have proof of license, insurance, etc. This new law does nothing to change that.
This......this is not really true. They need an "articulable suspicion" in the absence of a driver breaking a traffic law. It's nebulous and open to abuse.....but a cop really CAN'T pull anyone over at anytime just because.The problem with this law is it helps make "being brown" articulably suspicious.....
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