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Sitting at a 45 person sng 13 people left I am in the small blind it gets folded around to me with 66 only about 8 bb left.I shove bb calles for 3/4 of his stack with 9d5d.a 5 on the flop and another on the turn I am done.Is this the right move or could I have done someting different?

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Sitting at a 45 person sng 13 people left I am in the small blind it gets folded around to me with 66 only about 8 bb left.I shove bb calles for 3/4 of his stack with 9d5d.a 5 on the flop and another on the turn I am done.Is this the right move or could I have done someting different?
I shove with 27o in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8 BBs left. If that answers your question.BB is just an awful player.
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Normally with it folded around to me in that situation I shove with almost anything.I was just wandering if I should just call with a made hand.Then go from there.

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I shove with 27o in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8 BBs left. If that answers your question.BB is just an awful player.
66 shove was fine.27o shove is not unless you're at least < 6 BBs.
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Normally with it folded around to me in that situation I shove with almost anything.I was just wandering if I should just call with a made hand.Then go from there.
What are your thoughts on the pros/cons of limping 66 there as opposed to shoving.
It was an exaggeration.
No it wasn't.
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No it wasn't.
Yes...Yes it was.. but either way..it doesn't really matter.It could easily be argued depending on the level, blinds, and stack sizes that shoving with 2 7 in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8BBs is profitable.
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Yes...Yes it was.. but either way..it doesn't really matter.It could easily be argued depending on the level, blinds, and stack sizes that shoving with 2 7 in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8BBs is profitable.
Maybe if the BB is dead.
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Maybe if the BB is dead.
Please educate then. Explain to me how this would not be +EV. Can we not shove any two cards against any opponent in the SB when they are the short stacked and be +EV?The BB is obviously also a short stack chip as he called off 3/4's of his stack to his shove. Wouldn't this be the ideal situationto shove 2 7 as the BB is also a short stack so we still have a little fold equity?
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Told you it wasn't an exaggeration.
It was an exaggeration actually, though I have no issue arguing for it. Assuming the BB isn't extremelyshort stacked or a huge chip leader and depending on the blinds, shoving with 2 7 could most certainlybe profitable.
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It was an exaggeration actually, though I have no issue arguing for it. Assuming the BB isn't extremelyshort stacked or a huge chip leader and depending on the blinds, shoving with 2 7 could most certainlybe profitable.
JSpencer, you have 2 of the top 4 180 grinders (although tehtoe's moved on from them he still counts :club: ) on this site telling you it's unprofitable, and I have like 5k-6k 45 mans of experience to also tell you it's not.The magic number for those kinds of shoves is 4-6 BBs, not 8. Your equity is too high with 8.Hell, 2 of the "top" (I use quotes because I don't believe they are but they're recognized as such by many, I think they've got some huge leaks) 45 man grinders, Frenzuh and Zornh0lio, fold down to 3 BBs before trying any of these.
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JSpencer, you have 2 of the top 4 180 grinders (although tehtoe's moved on from them he still counts :club: ) on this site telling you it's unprofitable, and I have like 5k-6k 45 mans of experience to also tell you it's not.The magic number for those kinds of shoves is 4-6 BBs, not 8. Your equity is too high with 8.Hell, 2 of the "top" (I use quotes because I don't believe they are but they're recognized as such by many, I think they've got some huge leaks) 45 man grinders, Frenzuh and Zornh0lio, fold down to 3 BBs before trying any of these.
Who's the 4th?I fold complete bottom 5% crap with pretty much any stack in a blind battle unless there's areason not to. Below 4BBs you have no fold equity and you can always get better spots before the next BB. From 4-6 BBs I might depending on the BB and what stack he has, I may well pass it up though. Above 6 it's likely not profitable.Below say...2.5 you pretty much have to unless there's a bubble consideration. It's rare I'll find myself with 3 BBs in the SB unless I just lost a big pot.
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If BB is on the tight side, though, shoving with 27o could quite easily become +cEV.Without antes, BB needs to call with almost 40% of his hands for our shove to be -cEV.With antes, he even needs to call with almost 50% of his hands.DK--XFf0rDW738KflhQt.png3h-6_YugDK2nuKqhGClZ.png(Last column is our cEV, the three to the left are our EV from him folding, calling and losing, and calling and winning respectively.)Disclaimer 1: it's late and I'm tilted, so there may be mistakes.Disclaimer 2: cEV is not everything; at some point ICM comes into play, and of course it does not take into account that we may have an edge over the field.

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Disclaimer 2: cEV is not everything; at some point ICM comes into play, and of course it does not take into account that we may have an edge over the field.
Def this part.~ the 5-6 BB level, this shove becomes profitable-ish in ICM, 3-4 BBs is obv shoveland.I mean if I'm sitting 10 handed with an 8 BB stack I'm not piling there. 13 handed should be no different.
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