Average win rate for 1-2 NL at the casino

[shynepo3 0]

What are your stats so far? I don't have any tracking software yet (have a mac) so I can't post official PTBB/100. Got a phone app that tracks live games, but I didn't want to dilute the stats with 1,000s of hands of micro stakes games (not to mention live and online performance are tracked differently). In .10-.25 and below NLHE and Omaha 8 I'm tracking ~5PTBB/100 through 1,500 hands. Unfortunately, I dropped about $200 playing .25-.50NLHE before changing the strategy and shifting to lower stakes.

i dont have them here..they are on my pc work pc cause i was hiding it from my wife...lol...i'll post it tomrrow when i go to work....i know it's over 100 hrs since Jan, and +60 hrly or something....i must be running good...worst losing streak was 3 in a row....

[Provotrout 0]

i dont have them here..they are on my pc work pc cause i was hiding it from my wife...lol...i'll post it tomrrow when i go to work....i know it's over 100 hrs since Jan, and +60 hrly or something....i must be running good...worst losing streak was 3 in a row....

that's too funny.. hiding poker tracking from the wife! +$60 hourly seems pretty high for 1-2/1-3NL. Definitely good work, though the sample size is still small like mine. From what I've read, $30/h is the upper bound for 1-2NL. Of course, you could keep it up for another 300 hrs and just be an outlier.

[shynepo3 0]

that's too funny.. hiding poker tracking from the wife! +$60 hourly seems pretty high for 1-2/1-3NL. Definitely good work, though the sample size is still small like mine. From what I've read, $30/h is the upper bound for 1-2NL. Of course, you could keep it up for another 300 hrs and just be an outlier.

i play 2-5, occasionally 1-2 or 5-5, but the bulk is 2-5. not sure i'm even decent, since a lot of hands i post seem to be incorrect (as per other FCP er's)...but, small leaks i can fix anyways..

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Updated statsFound a rash of un-raked, organized home games in the area (mostly 1-3NLHE), so I've been playing home games lately and forgoing the drive to AC, along with the rake. Took the advice of some previous posters and put a portion of the bankroll online. Down $125 online through 3,000 hands, mostly due to a leak in playing high pocket pairs post flop. Losing net at .25-.50NLHE, but doing well in lower stakes NLHE and Omaha 8. Planning to stay at lower stakes until the PTBB gets above 6.Anyhow, here are the updated live stats:Bankroll $7,770Net Gains: $2,070Hours: 101$/h: $21$/session: $121Cashed: 13/18.50NLHE +$50 (4h) $12/h.50-1.00NLHE +197 (14h) $14/h1-2NLHE +$1,265 (55h) $23/h1-3NLHE +$668 (30h) $22/h

provo...whered u find games in nova? I've been looking for a while

[Provotrout 0]

duplicated

[Provotrout 0]

provo...whered u find games in nova? I've been looking for a while

Through a manager at work. Try googling home poker games in NY or something of the like. Should be able to find something.Just got back from a 9hr 1-3NL session. +$375.. the roll keeps growing

[shynepo3 0]

live stats so far this year:total hours - 124.25net profit - 8950hrly - 72.03

[Provotrout 0]

live stats so far this year:total hours - 124.25net profit - 8950hrly - 72.03

you're at 2-5NL right? $8,950 is juiccccy!

[TraptSteve 0]

Here's my YTD stats playing 1/2nl at the local charity casino:Hours Played: 60Total Winnings: $1,330Win Rate: $22/hrTotal Sessions: 13This is my first year keeping detailed stats on my live sessions so I really have no idea what my lifetime win rate is in the game (Been playing live since turning 18 in September of 07)I think $22/hr is a pretty sustainable winrate at 1/2nl though. I do plan to put in a ton of hours this coming summer and the plan is to build up a respectable bankroll (~$4k) with aspirations to leave my minimum wage job and grind 200nl full time by this time next year. Honestly even a more moderate winrate of $12-$15/hr would still allow me to sustain my current style of living while at the same time doing something that I both love and gives me the personal freedom that this profession entails. I know I'm coming off as naive and immature for thinking that I've got it all figured out and most will probably tell me I'm destined for epic failure.However, being that I'm only 20 (21 in 6 months) and with virtually no living expenses since I still live at home, I feel like if I really want to take a shot at this poker thing, it's pretty much now or never. It's not like I'm quitting a high paying job either. If I do go broke, I'll just be back to where I am now. But I will have at least given it a shot. I also think the fact that I still live at home and have no major monthly expenses will help me play more comfortable at the tables and handle the downswings a bit better since I won't have to worry about how the hell I'm going to make rent if my flush draw doesn't hit.Thoughts/comments besides the obligatory tp/mm?

i had this idea as well. You should keep your job while you start building a roll @ micro levels. Learn the proper money management skills.i'd bet ur running well right now- a bad run of cards will clean u out . Then what? GL finding another job.Save as much as u can with ur pay checks. With a small seperate amount, put that into a poker site & try to build. This economy is too rough not to have a safety net. *EDIT - do you have a job right now?

[Provotrout 0]

provo...whered u find games in nova? I've been looking for a while

fyi - I googled it and the first hit had a lot of games listed. You should be able to find some loose 2-5NL games in New York with all the bankers and lawyers up there. Good luck-

[shynepo3 0]

you're at 2-5NL right? $8,950 is juiccccy!

as crazy as this sounds, i'd rather it be double or even triple the amount of hours, same net profit...that way it would seem less running good and just good poker playing...right now it seems i'm just lucky...

[Provotrout 0]

as crazy as this sounds, i'd rather it be double or even triple the amount of hours, same net profit...that way it would seem less running good and just good poker playing...right now it seems i'm just lucky...

good point. I'm usually nervous buying in after a good run b/c odds are an overset or bad beat is right around the corner. Not a good feeling when you know you owe $$ to the luck fairy.

[shynepo3 0]

good point. I'm usually nervous buying in after a good run b/c odds are an overset or bad beat is right around the corner. Not a good feeling when you know you owe $$ to the luck fairy.

Yesterday, i lost 800 in about 2 hrs. So stupid, i was hovering around even, and then just like that, literally donked it off...2 hands...I dont know why i played those 2 hands like that....the 1st one, i went all in against 4 other ppl with a flush draw and pair.....and the other i shoved (bluff) over a loose aggro - but i could've picked a better spot for my last 400. Do you ever have days like that anymore? Where you play so bad, that you know you shouldn't be calling/raising/shoving, but you do it anyways?

[mtdesmoines 3]

Yesterday, i lost 800 in about 2 hrs. So stupid, i was hovering around even, and then just like that, literally donked it off...2 hands...I dont know why i played those 2 hands like that....the 1st one, i went all in against 4 other ppl with a flush draw and pair.....and the other i shoved (bluff) over a loose aggro - but i could've picked a better spot for my last 400. Do you ever have days like that anymore? Where you play so bad, that you know you shouldn't be calling/raising/shoving, but you do it anyways?

What works so well one day or one time is a disaster the next. Especially live. You need to be alert and making very good decisions. If you don't feel that (and we all know the feeling), it's time to rack up and leave and preserve what we have accomplished for the day.

[Provotrout 0]

Yesterday, i lost 800 in about 2 hrs. So stupid, i was hovering around even, and then just like that, literally donked it off...2 hands...I dont know why i played those 2 hands like that....the 1st one, i went all in against 4 other ppl with a flush draw and pair.....and the other i shoved (bluff) over a loose aggro - but i could've picked a better spot for my last 400. Do you ever have days like that anymore? Where you play so bad, that you know you shouldn't be calling/raising/shoving, but you do it anyways?

Thinking about how many hours it took to win the amount of the bluff is usually a good antidote for donk fever. That's my problem on the internet.. playing .10-.25 seems to be a huge waste of time when you're used to working with $300-800. $5 check-raise with 5 high, why the hell not!?

[Provotrout 0]

Up $1,350 in the last 8 days in live games.. Netted more in the past week playing poker part time than at the 9-5.2010 StatsNet gains: $3,105$/h: $25$/session: $147Hours: 121Cashed: 16/21$25/hr in 1-2NL (58hrs)$29/hr in 1-3NL (47hrs)Still a small sample size, but the roll keeps building. The home games I've been playing lately are considerably softer than AC, so that has added to the recent run.

[shynepo3 0]

still killing it huh?..well, i haven't played live since the 800 loss...no time reallybut i have started playing online...playing 1 cent 2 cent 6 max...ppl get so angry online..lol...anyways, i'm using hold em manager..and for the sessoin i'm in, 182 hands, with a vpip of 41..is that high?it says41/33/47/16.71.8/688/183these are the defaults***dammit..i was 2 hands away from leaving table - trying to reach 200...anyways, i get QQ all in against JJ...flop J, turn J...lost all profit + plus 1 buyin....that's over $4.00!!!.lol

[dead money 1]

Just left the tables in AC and am getting couple hours of rest before heading home. Here are the updated figures:Total hours played: 81Total net profit: $1,690Total hourly rate: $20Cashed: 10/15Games$.50-1.00 home game NLHE 4h / +$47 / $11/h$1-2 live NLHE 55h / +$1,265 / $23/h$1-3 live NLHE 22h / +$378 / $17/hHad a Saturday early morning - Sunday trip this weekend and logged 13h on the 1-2 and 1-3NLHE tables (lost ~$144 overall). It was kind of a weird weekend. Had a few games with vulnerable players but wasn't able to face off with them for big showdown wins. There were a couple of times I folded wtih acceptable calling odds, only to make the hand after folding, as well as a lot of second-best scenarios and a couple suckouts. I did a good job of bluffing a few nice pots (8 for so of 10 attempts) that added over $100 to the bottom line. Made a couple errors in judgement (not calling raises with favorable pot odds, etc). So parts of the game improved this trip (high bluff success ratio & net bluffing gains), while some fundamental errors cost a coulple good sized pots. Definitely learned a few things this weekend and am reading "No Limit Hold'em: Theory and Practice." Working on the game one day at a time and still excited about the live results so far.

What AC casino runs a 1/3 nl game? Ive played Borgata, Taj, Trop, Harrah's, and Showboat. Is it a soft game? I mainly play the Borgata, but Im so pysched that Pennsylvania has legalized table games. I live 10 mins. from Philly Park Casino. Hello second mortgage.

[shynepo3 0]

What AC casino runs a 1/3 nl game? Ive played Borgata, Taj, Trop, Harrah's, and Showboat. Is it a soft game? I mainly play the Borgata, but Im so pysched that Pennsylvania has legalized table games. I live 10 mins. from Philly Park Casino. Hello second mortgage.

lolhey, your avatar, is that Johnny Chan? and why that pic?

[Provotrout 0]

What AC casino runs a 1/3 nl game? Ive played Borgata, Taj, Trop, Harrah's, and Showboat. Is it a soft game? I mainly play the Borgata, but Im so pysched that Pennsylvania has legalized table games. I live 10 mins. from Philly Park Casino. Hello second mortgage.

Bally's runs a 1/3NL game, and they have a dedicated poker room (Billy's Room). They also run a 2/5NL & the action is pretty good from what I've seen in four sessions. There are some good regulars but a lot of donks. Next to Borgata it's my favorite, though I haven't played the Taj, Showboat or Harrah's yet.

[DonkSlayer 1]

how many hours (live hours, not online) do you think a player needs to play to accurately assess his skill level?

LOTS!!!

Probably not the best way to describe it, but it can act like a bond in terms of requiring a block of money and providing cash flow over a period of time + principal upon finishing. Similar risks apply with bonds in terms of default risk interrupting both the cash flow and return of principal.

Tip from the resident professional Risk Manager. Hedge, hedge, hedge.I saw some debate on whether poker can be an "investment" or not. Regardless, whether you're investing part-time or full-time, even +ev gambling can be very volatile, so when you go on a sick run, pick an average win rate that you can live with, and then take the rest and invest it in 1. building your bankroll and 2. money market/mutual funds, the latter split evenly between aggressive and secure plans. That way, when you runz bad, you can replace any tough hits to your bankroll from your investments, or draw to supplement your income if your % rake from your bankroll for personal use is dropping because you're not running profitably.

Bally's runs a 1/3NL game, and they have a dedicated poker room (Billy's Room). They also run a 2/5NL & the action is pretty good from what I've seen in four sessions. There are some good regulars but a lot of donks. Next to Borgata it's my favorite, though I haven't played the Taj, Showboat or Harrah's yet.

Last time I was in AC, Bally's had the only casino/poker room you could smoke in. That's why I haven't played there.Where is there a 5/5 game? Does it play much differently than a 2/5?

[dead money 1]

lolhey, your avatar, is that Johnny Chan? and why that pic?

If you read my sig thats what Johnny was wearing on HSP and Gabe made that comment. I loved it. Funniest thing to ever come out of Gabe's mouth since Johnny Carson took his dick out. Just saying.

[dead money 1]

Bally's runs a 1/3NL game, and they have a dedicated poker room (Billy's Room). They also run a 2/5NL & the action is pretty good from what I've seen in four sessions. There are some good regulars but a lot of donks. Next to Borgata it's my favorite, though I haven't played the Taj, Showboat or Harrah's yet.

Dont play the Taj. Its just horrible now. I played there for 1 year straight before the Borgata got that new room. If you dont mind hobos sleeping in the seat next to you then the Taj is the place for you. And the dirtiest chips ever. Im sure people have gotten the clap from them. Also somebody was killed there about a year ago over a seat. Gotta love it. Showboat is too small and dont get very many good games going. Harrah's is solid. Lots of donks who play in the WSOP qualifiers come and lose money at the cash games.

[Ninja Ace 1]

Dont play the Taj. Its just horrible now.

Went over to the Taj last night... didn't even get a seat before a player dropped dead from a heart attack. I told my girl it was bad karma and headed over to the Borgata

[Provotrout 0]

Tip from the resident professional Risk Manager. Hedge, hedge, hedge.I saw some debate on whether poker can be an "investment" or not. Regardless, whether you're investing part-time or full-time, even +ev gambling can be very volatile, so when you go on a sick run, pick an average win rate that you can live with, and then take the rest and invest it in 1. building your bankroll and 2. money market/mutual funds, the latter split evenly between aggressive and secure plans. That way, when you runz bad, you can replace any tough hits to your bankroll from your investments, or draw to supplement your income if your % rake from your bankroll for personal use is dropping because you're not running profitably.

Thanks for the tips, solid advice. At this point all winnings are going directly back into the bankroll to (hopefully) allow jumping to a more profitable game like 2-5NLHE, PLO or something of the like. 1-2 and 1-3 are running so well right now there's little pressure to jump to 2-5NL, so that can wait until the br hits $10k-12.5k.

Last time I was in AC, Bally's had the only casino/poker room you could smoke in. That's why I haven't played there.Where is there a 5/5 game? Does it play much differently than a 2/5?

Haven't heard of a 5/5 game in AC, just home games. Bally's does allow smoking, but only in the section next to the bar overlooking the beach (right by the tournament tables).