keith crime 8 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Poker after Dark has shown some prime Ivey moments this week.At one point he says, “That feeling that you get where you have lost so much money that you can’t breath? I like that feeling.”I wonder if there has ever been a gambling intervention for someone who was a successful gambler. Do they have to go broke for the outside world to be able to tell? Phil, you’re broke, we felt that this was an indication that your gambling is not healthy for you. Where were they before you dropped 100 million dollars betting on Chinchilla racing?Previously, Phil Freaked me out by essentially flipping a fifty thousand dollar coin on every flop with Ilari Sahamies.Now he shows up cross booking Patrik Antonius’ action, which has to be the worst example of decreasing your variance of all time.On an early hand Phil, Daniel Negreanu, Tom Dwan, Patrick Antonius, and Gus Hanson all put $100,000 into the pot blind. This was of course won by the luckiest man alive Patrik Antonius. Ivey didn’t just lose $100,000 - he lost $500,000 because it was Antonius that won.After that, Antonius sat out the future four way flips. Sort of. He was still cross booking Ivey so every time Ivey lost one, Patrick won $100,000. If Ivey had won one of these flips, Patrick would have lost $300,000.When you considerably ratchet up the stakes with absolutely no possible edge, that’s a pretty good indication that you are either the ballsiest man alive or need to be stopped immediately. Probably, both.Because really it’s not gambling, and Phil Ivey is a degenerate gambler, if it doesn’t have the possibility to hurt.By the end of the first week, Phil was looking to gamble size on anything, anyone could think of.He was down $600,000 and was looking to double it down, because after all that would be the best bank roll management decision.I guess that Full Tilt Poker puts him up $50,000,000 to start every year, which is nice if you have a gambling problem.If you gave Stu Ungar $50,000,000 to start each year with, even he might not have gone broke. Actually, I am sort of glad that Ivey is out there doing it for me to live vicariously through.This week’s sickest gamblers alive rankings- Poker after dark cash game edition1. Phil Ivey - The king, he is really only challenged by himself.2. Patrik Antonius - Even sicker than Ivey, but seems to have replaced Ivey as the luckiest man alive. For some reason God loves him. In the next life, I would like to come back as a model/tennis player/successful high stakes gambler too. Next time anyone asks you a question about God, show him pictures of Patrik Antonius and Eric the Midget side by side and ask them exactly how that works.3. Tom Dwan - Has to be feared because of his age. He’s almost keeping up with Phil Ivey already, who knows what will happen when he hits his prime.4. Gus Hanson - If you hear news about someone losing a gigantic pot, it’s usually won by Patrik and lost by Gus, so his ability to hang with these guys continues to amaze.5. Daniel Negreanu - Would be the most heartbreaking of melt downs. Nevertheless, I get the opinion that he knows when to call it quits. I’ve never really seen any evidence of this on television, so maybe sweet Daniel has got us all fooled.6. Phil Hellmuth - He isn’t even on the show to gamble it up anymore. He’s just there so that the people who aren’t really paying attention think that Phil is anywhere close to being as sick as the other five. He sat out the flips, and if anything, is starting to seem like the most responsible gambler in America these days. Phil knows that he shouldn’t be hanging with the especially sick top four, but this knowledge just causes massive psychic pain for his gargantuan ego. Amazing how the one time youngest main event winner of all time is now such a tight old man.All in all pretty amazing television - it’s not really poker any more though. Who cares about a poker hand for $200,000 when Phil Ivey is about to bet Gus and Patrick half a mil each that the waitress will get him his drink in less than 75 seconds? Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 when Daniel went to the Laker game the other day I told him not to lose too much money betting on which player would have to tie their shoelaces up next. Link to post Share on other sites
GreeneStreet 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Is there an inherent advantage at the table to people thinking that you aren't afraid to drop $50k on the hair color of the next person that walks into the room? How do you react to a bet by someone who just doesn't seem to care about the value of his chips? Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Is there an inherent advantage at the table to people thinking that you aren't afraid to drop $50k on the hair color of the next person that walks into the room? How do you react to a bet by someone who just doesn't seem to care about the value of his chips?Not a single person on that table would be thinking about how much that money is worth when making a decision about a hand. Also Ivey and PA only had 30% cross booked during the flips. Link to post Share on other sites
GOCUBSGO 77 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Not a single person on that table would be thinking about how much that money is worth when making a decision about a hand. Also Ivey and PA only had 30% cross booked during the flips.Still both sickos regardless of if it was only 30% Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Its odd because Hellmuth might be the outright richest of those 5 and he's not gambling.He's constantly marketing himself. Clothing lines, endorsement deals, the general of UB.I'd like to see a net worth ranking of the 5. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Its odd because Hellmuth might be the outright richest of those 5 and he's not gambling.He's constantly marketing himself. Clothing lines, endorsement deals, the general of UB.I'd like to see a net worth ranking of the 5.LOLThere is no question who has the highest net worth and liquid assets of the group and it isn't PHEdit: You also shouldn't overestimate how much money people get from books or clothing lines etc. Endorsement deals with online sites for the top guys can be pretty large but if you are losing at poker that won't go very far. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 when Daniel went to the Laker game the other day I told him not to lose too much money betting on which player would have to tie their shoelaces up next.lol degenaments. Didn't they also bet on which foot was covering a beer bottle cap at a Leafs game? Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Its odd because Hellmuth might be the outright richest of those 5 and he's not gambling.He's constantly marketing himself. Clothing lines, endorsement deals, the general of UB.I'd like to see a net worth ranking of the 5.You guessed the wrong Phil Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Its odd because Hellmuth might be the outright richest of those 5 and he's not gambling.He's constantly marketing himself. Clothing lines, endorsement deals, the general of UB.I'd like to see a net worth ranking of the 5.Sickest Gambler Rankings:1. Phil Ivey2. Gus Hansen3. Tom Dwan4. Patrik Antonius5. Daniel Negreanu6. Phil HellmuthNet worth Rankings:1. Phil Ivey2. Patrik Antonius3. Daniel Negreanu4. Gus Hansen5. Tom Dwan6. Phil Hellmuth That's just a guess, but I think Durr lost a lot of money this year and would have been much higher last year. PH lost money this year too playing poker, and you really don't make very much money at all from books. Typical deal is like an 8% royalty which doesn't amount to much. His main income has to come fro UB, but outside of that, do you really think he's making millions selling pokerbrat t-shirts? What endorsements outside of UB would he be making large coin on? Can you think of one? People don't realize that there really ISN"T a lot of money to be made outside of online poker site endorsements for poker players. Training sites can do well also, but selling t-shirts isn't going to get you baller money. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzzcase 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Sickest Gambler Rankings:1. Phil Ivey2. Gus Hansen3. Tom Dwan4. Patrik Antonius5. Daniel Negreanu6. Phil HellmuthNet worth Rankings:1. Phil Ivey2. Patrik Antonius3. Daniel Negreanu4. Gus Hansen5. Tom Dwan6. Phil Hellmuth That's just a guess, but I think Durr lost a lot of money this year and would have been much higher last year. PH lost money this year too playing poker, and you really don't make very much money at all from books. Typical deal is like an 8% royalty which doesn't amount to much. His main income has to come fro UB, but outside of that, do you really think he's making millions selling pokerbrat t-shirts? What endorsements outside of UB would he be making large coin on? Can you think of one? People don't realize that there really ISN"T a lot of money to be made outside of online poker site endorsements for poker players. Training sites can do well also, but selling t-shirts isn't going to get you baller money.Where does Gus get his money? Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Tried googling a few searches of net worth for both PH and PI.No concrete numbers but the searches did show a lot of other forums "guesses" and random sites. Like Ivey needs a 500 mill bankroll for playing craps the way he does. Another was he has won over 44 mill playing craps. Ivey plays 10 mill SNG's som ewhere.Not much for Hellmuth. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Tried googling a few searches of net worth for both PH and PI.No concrete numbers but the searches did show a lot of other forums "guesses" and random sites. Like Ivey needs a 500 mill bankroll for playing craps the way he does. Another was he has won over 44 mill playing craps. Ivey plays 10 mill SNG's som ewhere.Not much for Hellmuth.they tried to get this $10 mill sit and go going a few years ago...I think the only one that signed up was Ivey. Link to post Share on other sites
DinkDonk 1 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I don't mean to troll, but are those people all right with you ranking them in order of net worth? Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I don't mean to troll, but are those people all right with you ranking them in order of net worth?Well at least you didn't ask about the 'other' list of ranked players ... Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I don't mean to troll, but are those people all right with you ranking them in order of net worth? It's just a guess. I have no idea how much money anyone has... Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 something tells me that Phil Ivey isn't trolling around fcp looking for reasons to be upsetHellmuth maybe Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Sickest Gambler Rankings:1. Phil Ivey2. Gus Hansen3. Tom Dwan4. Patrik Antonius5. Daniel Negreanu - Unless Phil Ivey is at the table, then Daniel moves up to the #2 spot because Phil is a bad influence on DN6. Phil HellmuthFYP"I'm on for triples"And BTW, that impression you did of Patrick was HILARIOUS I had to rewind it and watch it again. Link to post Share on other sites
DinkDonk 1 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 It's just a guess. I have no idea how much money anyone has...I mean, fair enough, but I wouldn't say anything if anyone else posted a list like that. It would be clear that it was a wild guess. But in just about every argument in which you post an opinion, there is a huge chunk of the population here that uses the "DN says it so it's obviously true" argument. I just think that it could be pretty easily misinterpreted. Whatevs, though, you can obviously say what you like. I'm not offended or anything, simply curious. Link to post Share on other sites
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