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[timwakefield 68]

LOL - you may not like her writing, but if Holdren is involved - it will be a big story

I mean, I didn't read past that initial paragraph. Why would I, or any rational person, unless they wanted to be entertained? I'm pretty sure it was just her Thanksgiving Gripe About Nonsense article, but like I said, I only read far enough to make sure she wasn't being sarcastic.

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I mean, I didn't read past that initial paragraph. Why would I, or any rational person, unless they wanted to be entertained? I'm pretty sure it was just her Thanksgiving Gripe About Nonsense article, but like I said, I only read far enough to make sure she wasn't being sarcastic.

So you don't like the fact that she thinks Obama has hippy czars in the white house? because I am fairly certain if you read any of their bio's you would agree

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This is a great primer in climate model "calibration" for dummies:http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/clim...cline-codified/

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This is a great primer in climate model "calibration" for dummies:http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/clim...cline-codified/

My favorite parts were honest statements like "Hide the decline", and "oh, I can make it up", and my personal favorite "these can be artificially adjusted". Nothing makes you feel more confident in scientific research when the researchers are smart enough that they can just pull numbers straight out of the air

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I mean, I didn't read past that initial paragraph. Why would I, or any rational person, unless they wanted to be entertained? I'm pretty sure it was just her Thanksgiving Gripe About Nonsense article, but like I said, I only read far enough to make sure she wasn't being sarcastic.

This isn't the only place reporting that Obama's science czar has close ties to the apparent fraud. But even if it was the only place, saying "I don't like that source" isn't refuting anything, it's closing your eyes. The question is simple: was he involved or not. It appears he is, do you have evidence otherwise?

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This isn't the only place reporting that Obama's science czar has close ties to the apparent fraud. But even if it was the only place, saying "I don't like that source" isn't refuting anything, it's closing your eyes. The question is simple: was he involved or not. It appears he is, do you have evidence otherwise?

Nothing to see here... White House Czar says it doesnt matter

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My favorite parts were honest statements like "Hide the decline", and "oh, I can make it up", and my personal favorite "these can be artificially adjusted". Nothing makes you feel more confident in scientific research when the researchers are smart enough that they can just pull numbers straight out of the air

thay are priceless

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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard...ess-white-houseClimateGate Scientists Cited in Report to White House and Congress

[timwakefield 68]

This isn't the only place reporting that Obama's science czar has close ties to the apparent fraud. But even if it was the only place, saying "I don't like that source" isn't refuting anything, it's closing your eyes.

No it's not. I stated very plainly earlier in the thread that I thought it was a revelatory story. I read like the first 2 articles linked. Obviously I'm interested in the story. So why am I not allowed to refuse an article from a crazy, sensationalized, hard core Obama-hater (their website has a clock counting down to when he "leaves office" in the top-right-corner of every page)? I read some other articles from other sources, how are my eyes closed?Honestly I feel like I'm one of the most open-minded people here, and most of the time when you guys try to attack me for seeing everything through a narrow tunnel you're kind of building a straw-man. You're right about it sometimes, but not usually.

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No it's not. I stated very plainly earlier in the thread that I thought it was a revelatory story. I read like the first 2 articles linked. Obviously I'm interested in the story. So why am I not allowed to refuse an article from a crazy, sensationalized, hard core Obama-hater (their website has a clock counting down to when he "leaves office" in the top-right-corner of every page)? I read some other articles from other sources, how are my eyes closed?Honestly I feel like I'm one of the most open-minded people here, and most of the time when you guys try to attack me for seeing everything through a narrow tunnel you're kind of building a straw-man. You're right about it sometimes, but not usually.

OK, fair enough. I was referring to that particular post, but yeah, I guess in the context of the longer thread (which I've only been skimming enough to throw in an occasional lazy comment), you are probably correct here. Kind of like when Checky comes and tries to convince us that Krugman has any credibility. We read a couple paragraphs and just know he (Krugman) is wrong yet again.

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Canada Free Press.The best thing to come out of America Jr. since.......wait what comes from Canada?

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

Honestly I feel like I'm one of the most open-minded people here,

A+ comedy gold

[timwakefield 68]

A+ comedy gold

Please show counterexamples. Having opinions and being open-minded are not mutually exclusive. My opinions often change, and I usually am very quick to say when they do.Edit: Probably the best examples I have from my side of willingness to change my views based on nothing in particular are that I used to be anti-death penalty and I'm not anymore. I used to balk at police, now I have the utmost respect for them, or at least for the uniform. I also used to dislike hip-hop in general, now it's like half of what I listen to, and music has always been hugely important to me. Getting into hip-hop and then other modern genres was a huge change. As far as seeing both sides of an issue, see: listening to rap and having respect for police. =\

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Please show counterexamples. Having opinions and being open-minded are not mutually exclusive. My opinions often change, and I usually am very quick to say when they do.Edit: Probably the best examples I have from my side of willingness to change my views based on nothing in particular are that I used to be anti-death penalty and I'm not anymore. I used to balk at police, now I have the utmost respect for them, or at least for the uniform. I also used to dislike hip-hop in general, now it's like half of what I listen to, and music has always been hugely important to me. Getting into hip-hop and then other modern genres was a huge change. As far as seeing both sides of an issue, see: listening to rap and having respect for police. =\

you don't have to defend yourself. any Democrat still posting in this forum has a fair amount of patience, a willingness to debate, and a clear masochistic streak.

[brvheart 1,752]

Please show counterexamples. Having opinions and being open-minded are not mutually exclusive. My opinions often change, and I usually am very quick to say when they do.Edit: Probably the best examples I have from my side of willingness to change my views based on nothing in particular are that I used to be anti-death penalty and I'm not anymore. I used to balk at police, now I have the utmost respect for them, or at least for the uniform. I also used to dislike hip-hop in general, now it's like half of what I listen to, and music has always been hugely important to me. Getting into hip-hop and then other modern genres was a huge change. As far as seeing both sides of an issue, see: listening to rap and having respect for police. =\

I have always been for the death penalty and am now pretty solidly in the anti-death penalty camp.

you don't have to defend yourself. any Democrat still posting in this forum has a fair amount of patience, a willingness to debate, and a clear masochistic streak.

huh?Do all democrats really think like this? I was under the impression that that was a Limbaugh joke.

[CaneBrain 95]

I have always been for the death penalty and am now pretty solidly in the anti-death penalty camp.huh?Do all democrats really think like this? I was under the impression that that was a Limbaugh joke.

All I meant was this forum is extremely anti-Democrat, anti-Obama and posting pro-obama things here specifically implies some patience, open-mindedness, and masochism. I dont know what Limbaugh's joke was but if he said it, it probably stinks.

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All I meant was this forum is extremely anti-Democrat, anti-Obama and posting pro-obama things here specifically implies some patience, open-mindedness, and masochism. I dont know what Limbaugh's joke was but if he said it, it probably stinks.

These things seem to conflict.DUCY?

[CaneBrain 95]

These things seem to conflict.DUCY?

I didnt say I was open minded about everything.....and the word probably indicates a small, willingness to be open minded about his jokes. Ta-Da.

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Please show counterexamples. Having opinions and being open-minded are not mutually exclusive. My opinions often change, and I usually am very quick to say when they do.Edit: Probably the best examples I have from my side of willingness to change my views based on nothing in particular are that I used to be anti-death penalty and I'm not anymore. I used to balk at police, now I have the utmost respect for them, or at least for the uniform. I also used to dislike hip-hop in general, now it's like half of what I listen to, and music has always been hugely important to me. Getting into hip-hop and then other modern genres was a huge change. As far as seeing both sides of an issue, see: listening to rap and having respect for police. =\

flip flopper

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

All I meant was this forum is extremely anti-Democrat, anti-Obama and posting pro-obama things here specifically implies some patience, open-mindedness, and masochism. I dont know what Limbaugh's joke was but if he said it, it probably stinks.

Seriously?The Dems here have at least as much vitriol as Repubs - yourself included. To try and make it seem like Dems are the voices of reason and are mistreated here is pure revisionism. Even in this post you take a knee-jerk shot at Rush because it is just what Dems do when Rush is mentioned.

[CaneBrain 95]

Seriously?The Dems here have at least as much vitriol as Repubs - yourself included. To try and make it seem like Dems are the voices of reason and are mistreated here is pure revisionism. Even in this post you take a knee-jerk shot at Rush because it is just what Dems do when Rush is mentioned.

That's just not what I said. Not at all. And taking shots at Rush is just good old fashioned fun.It would be easier to just not post here than spend a lot of time peeing uphill into the wind but thats what a couple of us do. It certainly does not make us the voice of reason but it definitely means we are gluttons for punishment and it definitely means we have some patience. I readily admit there are certain conservative elements (like Rush) that I have nothing but contempt for.Who said anything about being mistreated? I honestly dont understand what you are talking about.

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That's just not what I said. Not at all. And taking shots at Rush is just good old fashioned fun.It would be easier to just not post here than spend a lot of time peeing uphill into the wind but thats what a couple of us do. It certainly does not make us the voice of reason but it definitely means we are gluttons for punishment and it definitely means we have some patience. I readily admit there are certain conservative elements (like Rush) that I have nothing but contempt for.Who said anything about being mistreated? I honestly dont understand what you are talking about.

Dude. I'm really not trying to turn this into some sort of ePissing Contest. I generally respect your contributions to the Forum so I'll just drop it here.

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All I meant was this forum is extremely anti-Democrat, anti-Obama and posting pro-obama things here specifically implies some patience, open-mindedness, and masochism. I dont know what Limbaugh's joke was but if he said it, it probably stinks.

I am here for open debate, so I wish we could get more people here to defend what the Obama administration and Pelosi and Reid are doing. I've tried to engage people to tell me what's good about the health care bill, what's good about Obama's lack of transparency, and on and on. If that's anti-Democrat, so be it -- I'd just like to see some stances other than "we're a rich country, therefore we need to [whatever]". I tend not stay out of a few of the debates, such as Afghanistan and abortion, so maybe I'm just missing some of the discussion that is here.

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I am here for open debate, so I wish we could get more people here to defend what the Obama administration and Pelosi and Reid are doing. I've tried to engage people to tell me what's good about the health care bill, what's good about Obama's lack of transparency, and on and on. If that's anti-Democrat, so be it -- I'd just like to see some stances other than "we're a rich country, therefore we need to [whatever]". I tend not stay out of a few of the debates, such as Afghanistan and abortion, so maybe I'm just missing some of the discussion that is here.

Henry - repeat after me - it was Bush's fault

[CaneBrain 95]

I am here for open debate, so I wish we could get more people here to defend what the Obama administration and Pelosi and Reid are doing. I've tried to engage people to tell me what's good about the health care bill, what's good about Obama's lack of transparency, and on and on. If that's anti-Democrat, so be it -- I'd just like to see some stances other than "we're a rich country, therefore we need to [whatever]". I tend not stay out of a few of the debates, such as Afghanistan and abortion, so maybe I'm just missing some of the discussion that is here.

it's just the tone in general. I do not begrudge people their anger/disappointment/viewpoint (someday I will write a post about why I still like Obama enough.....but am appalled by his decision to relive 1992-1994....it's going to be really long-winded) but you cannot deny that this is basically a conservative forum at this point. That's all.I'm not whining; it's a statement of fact. If I felt mistreated, I could move on but I am not being mistreated. Just in the minority. It's kinda like being white in Miami. (Dammit)