The Hi-lo(w) Content Thread

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

yay I'm bubble boy got 700FPP for my troubles

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i have 5% of somebody whose game i respect in the 1k plo8 scoop today. i even went a little over and bought a piece for $65 instead of $50 because i feel hes that +ev in it. blinds are 30/60 and hes already at 4k in chips but hes really kicking ass in the $100 which i do not a piece in so i hope he doesn't pay more attention to that one. i really wish i had the money to play in it myself. i'm looking at the player list and all the top tournament players are playing in it but plo8 is such a weird game with such subtle nuances i don't their tournament expertise could overcome their lack of experience in it.

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i think its cute that this guy is actually convinced he is a winner. Full Tilt Poker Game #11674346526: Table Fitzgerald - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 1:10:50 ET - 2009/04/14Seat 1: Zephyr ($98.50)Seat 2: Ralgoth ($77.40)Seat 3: jmc20 ($37.70)Seat 4: Stronza ($49)Seat 5: ChrisBrown4eva ($107.05)Seat 6: jaxguy ($187.10)Seat 7: jjflower ($102.85)Seat 8: antistuff ($112.50)Seat 9: rkatz ($61.25)Ralgoth posts the small blind of $0.50jmc20 posts the big blind of $1The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [8d Tc 9s Qc]Stronza calls $1ChrisBrown4eva foldsjaxguy foldsjjflower foldsantistuff calls $1rkatz foldsZephyr has 15 seconds left to actZephyr foldsRalgoth calls $0.50jmc20 checks*** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8h]Ralgoth checksjmc20 bets $1Stronza foldsantistuff raises to $7Ralgoth has 15 seconds left to actRalgoth raises to $26jmc20 foldsantistuff has 15 seconds left to actantistuff: cest la vieantistuff raises to $83Ralgoth: QQ huhRalgoth calls $50.40, and is all inantistuff shows [8d Tc 9s Qc]Ralgoth shows [Ad Jc 5c Js]Uncalled bet of $6.60 returned to antistuff*** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8h] [9h]*** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8h 9h] [8c]antistuff shows a full house, Eights full of Queens, for highRalgoth shows a full house, Jacks full of Eights, for highRalgoth wins the pot ($154.80) with a full house, Jacks full of EightsNo low hand qualified*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $157.80 | Rake $3Board: [Jd Qd 8h 9h 8c]Seat 1: Zephyr (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: Ralgoth (small blind) showed [Ad Jc 5c Js] and won ($154.80) with HI: a full house, Jacks full of EightsSeat 3: jmc20 (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: Stronza folded on the FlopSeat 5: ChrisBrown4eva didn't bet (folded)Seat 6: jaxguy didn't bet (folded)Seat 7: jjflower didn't bet (folded)Seat 8: antistuff showed [8d Tc 9s Qc] and lost with HI: a full house, Eights full of QueensSeat 9: rkatz didn't bet (folded)

[Tantalar 0]

I was 30 EE boo hoo...You are going to mock me on the forums? Looks like im not the only one to ever get my money in bad or... drawing dead.Now can we just be pals? FullTiltPoker Game #11077003788: Table GateauOrMort - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 0:32:32 ET - 2009/03/11Seat 1: Ralgoth ($94.60)Seat 2: CisqoRouter ($165.40)Seat 3: ProtekYoNuts ($310.70)Seat 4: oneless88 ($108.55)Seat 5: GateauOrMort ($99)Seat 6: Dr MS ($100)Seat 7: DougM ($138.20)Seat 8: antistuff ($167.95)Seat 9: thefletch27 ($68.50)Ralgoth posts the small blind of $0.50CisqoRouter posts the big blind of $1The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Ralgoth [Qc 7s 4c Jh]ProtekYoNuts foldsoneless88 foldsGateauOrMort calls $1Dr MS foldsDougM calls $1antistuff raises to $5.50thefletch27 calls $5.50Ralgoth foldsCisqoRouter calls $4.50GateauOrMort calls $4.50DougM calls $4.50*** FLOP *** [Tc 9d 9c]CisqoRouter checksGateauOrMort checksDougM checksantistuff checksthefletch27 checks*** TURN *** [Tc 9d 9c] [Jd]CisqoRouter checksGateauOrMort checksDougM has 15 seconds left to actDougM bets $28antistuff raises to $112thefletch27 adds $37thefletch27 foldsCisqoRouter raises to $159.90, and is all inGateauOrMort foldsGateauOrMort adds $6.50DougM foldsDr MS has been disconnectedantistuff calls $47.90CisqoRouter shows [9s 3d As Jc]antistuff shows [4d 8h Qh Ad]Dr MS has reconnected*** RIVER *** [Tc 9d 9c Jd] [7c]CisqoRouter shows a full house, Nines full of Jacks, for highantistuff shows a straight, Queen high, for highCisqoRouter wins the pot ($372.80) with a full house, Nines full of Jacksantistuff adds $97.45No low hand qualified*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $375.80 | Rake $3Board: [Tc 9d 9c Jd 7c]Seat 1: Ralgoth (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 2: CisqoRouter (big blind) showed [9s 3d As Jc] and won ($372.80) with HI: a full house, Nines full of JacksSeat 3: ProtekYoNuts didn't bet (folded)Seat 4: oneless88 didn't bet (folded)Seat 5: GateauOrMort folded on the TurnSeat 6: Dr MS didn't bet (folded)Seat 7: DougM folded on the TurnSeat 8: antistuff showed [4d 8h Qh Ad] and lost with HI: a straight, Queen highSeat 9: thefletch27 (button) folded on the Turn

[antistuff 0]

its funny because you don't even know what you did in that hand that was so bad.why the hell would you c/r that flop and turn your set into a bluff? especially on a board that draw heavy. you are putting yourself into the ultimate being forced to pay off or getting bluffed off situation in a pot that you are bloating. and as for the hand you posted there are two things i could have done differently which might be slightly better but i in no way made a significant mistake. cisqo checking his trips/boat twice is the big mistake. its like hes trying to miss as much value as he can. he may have one a huge pot this time but over time in the battle of mistakes i will come out way ahead here. i called $50 drawing dead, but getting 7 to 1 or so if its a mistake its a very small one. i will win sometimes, maybe i need a better price, but still, tiny mistake. the only thing you can say that i really did wrong was pricing myself into having to call on the turn. a raise to $90 would have been much better because then i could have folded.two plo8 mantras to live by, here we go....if you never shove into the nuts you are not playing wellplo8 is not about getting your money in good. we can be friends. this is me being friendly. i've just given you advice that if you really think about it would significantly raise your win rate. and we play against each other. i should be charging you for this. ive actually stoped posting advice about plo8 on this board. if thats not friendly i don't know what is. of course i have a nasty tone. im pissed that a) you won a hand where you were a huge dog and b- you played that hand about as poorly and nonsensically as i can imagine it being played.

[Tantalar 0]

Unless you have the absolute dream hand, (straight with a 2 pair or better) then I am about 43 EE if you call. More often than not, since I checked and the guy to my left min bet... your standard play 100% of the time is to pot it basically with anything and usually with nothing. There are advantages and disadvantages of playing certain styles... If you always bet when its checked to you, I am going to CR you. If all you do is overcall, im going to bet huge. If you never bet and always call a little bit, im going to always value bet you. If you are a maniac, im going to overvalue my hands against you. Against you, and a handful of other players, I will make that play because I know you would easily do it with air.This time, you ended up having the dream hand and I was 30EE. Most often you will just fold to my CR. You limped with an unpredictable hand and saw the perfect flop for your hand. And like I said, the reason I checked was so that you would bet with air and I could collect your donation. Yeah there are risks to over valuing hands against LAG/semi lag opponents but if you never stand up and defend yourself against someone like that, your stack will just disappear... More often than not, we both just get into 60/40s and 40/60s and 55/45s and 45/55s And as far as my winnings... its not that much, but I haven't been playing as much as I would like. Now that I am moved into my new place and am playing to pay for my living expenses, ill probly be playing more... but my total net profits this year are about 6.2k from cash games on FTP. Soon Ill be playing more 1/2 since my BR can support that safely while multi tabling it.

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Unless you have the absolute dream hand, (straight with a 2 pair or better) then I am about 43 EE if you call. More often than not, since I checked and the guy to my left min bet... your standard play 100% of the time is to pot it basically with anything and usually with nothing.

so if i usually don't have anything why would you 3 bet it? to get me to fold the nothing that i'm willing to put money in with? watch out when you move up to 1/2. the level of play increases drastically although it wont seem to at first.edit: i'll stop being immature and bitter. we can resume talking like adults now.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

ding ding ding...the gloves are off! o wait it's over already? shit I miss everythingfk that come down to the micro limits and I'll pwn both u beotches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(jk of course )

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ding ding ding...the gloves are off! o wait it's over already? shit I miss everything

he's better than i give him credit for. i like to talk shit because i don't think he's as good as he thinks he is (and i like to talk shit). but i don't exactly want him at my table even though i'm not afraid of him.

fk that come down to the micro limits and I'll pwn both u beotches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(jk of course )

you need to get your ass up our limits. i think you're good enough where i would even take a piece and help you out with some coaching (not entirely pro bono, like i said i would take a piece).

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

you need to get your ass up our limits. i think you're good enough where i would even take a piece and help you out with some coaching (not entirely pro bono, like i said i would take a piece).

lol... I've been kinda pussy about it. Something about buying in for $5 and being 100bbs deep is nice not to mention I'm crushing the games on a regular basis. I'm up another hundo since the last time I talked to you. That's playing on avg 7 1/2 hrs per wk and cashing in on $60-$100 per wk. not too shabby IMHO

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horray for more run bad at 1/2 juiceFull Tilt Poker Game #11742940727: Table Ruth (deep) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 1:26:42 ET - 2009/04/18Seat 1: Pantera Tigris ($342)Seat 2: JADAN ($270)Seat 3: sergiobenso ($302)Seat 4: AKBONES ($319.15)Seat 5: Tommy 2 Toe ($184)Seat 6: antistuff ($282.05)Seat 8: Phil X ($275.70)Seat 9: Omsk2009 ($256)sergiobenso posts the small blind of $1AKBONES posts the big blind of $25 seconds left to actPhil X is sitting outTime has expiredThe button is in seat #2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [5h Ac Ah 2h]Tommy 2 Toe foldsantistuff calls $2Omsk2009 foldsPantera Tigris foldsJADAN is sitting outJADAN foldsPhil X stands upsergiobenso has 15 seconds left to actsergiobenso has been disconnectedsergiobenso has 90 seconds to reconnectsergiobenso has reconnectedsergiobenso has 15 seconds left to actsergiobenso has been disconnectedsergiobenso has 57 seconds to reconnectsergiobenso has reconnectedsergiobenso has 15 seconds left to actsergiobenso is sitting outsergiobenso has timed outsergiobenso foldssergiobenso has returnedAKBONES raises to $7antistuff calls $5*** FLOP *** [Tc Kc Qh]AKBONES bets $15antistuff calls $15*** TURN *** [Tc Kc Qh] [Kd]AKBONES bets $45antistuff calls $45*** RIVER *** [Tc Kc Qh Kd] [Qd]AKBONES bets $135antistuff calls $135*** SHOW DOWN ***AKBONES shows [8d 7d 6c Qc] three of a kind, Queens, for highantistuff mucksAKBONES wins the pot ($402) with three of a kind, QueensNo low hand qualified*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $405 | Rake $3Board: [Tc Kc Qh Kd Qd]Seat 1: Pantera Tigris didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: JADAN (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: sergiobenso (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 4: AKBONES (big blind) showed [8d 7d 6c Qc] and won ($402) with HI: three of a kind, QueensSeat 5: Tommy 2 Toe didn't bet (folded)Seat 6: antistuff mucked [5h Ac Ah 2h] - HI: two pair, Aces and KingsSeat 8: Phil X is sitting outSeat 9: Omsk2009 didn't bet (folded)

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then thisFull Tilt Poker Game #11742986073: Table Ruth (deep) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 1:30:31 ET - 2009/04/18Seat 1: Pantera Tigris ($342)Seat 2: JADAN ($270), is sitting outSeat 3: sergiobenso ($301)Seat 4: AKBONES ($528.15)Seat 5: Tommy 2 Toe ($176)Seat 6: antistuff ($398)Seat 9: Omsk2009 ($256), is sitting outantistuff posts the small blind of $1Pantera Tigris posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #5*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Jh Ah 9s Ks]sergiobenso has 15 seconds left to actsergiobenso foldsBenG2813 sits downBenG2813 adds $400AKBONES has 15 seconds left to actAKBONES raises to $4Tommy 2 Toe calls $4JADAN has returnedantistuff calls $3Pantera Tigris raises to $20AKBONES raises to $68Tommy 2 Toe foldsantistuff foldsPantera Tigris calls $48*** FLOP *** [Th 9h Qh]Pantera Tigris checksAKBONES bets $144Pantera Tigris foldsUncalled bet of $144 returned to AKBONESAKBONES mucksAKBONES wins the pot ($141)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $144 | Rake $3Board: [Th 9h Qh]Seat 1: Pantera Tigris (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 2: JADAN is sitting outSeat 3: sergiobenso didn't bet (folded)Seat 4: AKBONES collected ($141), muckedSeat 5: Tommy 2 Toe (button) folded before the FlopSeat 6: antistuff (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 9: Omsk2009 is sitting out

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i knew that if i kept getting it in good i would win a hand eventuallythere are also two regs here and i really like them seeing me do thisFull Tilt Poker Game #11743125238: Table Ruth (deep) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 1:42:21 ET - 2009/04/18Seat 1: Pantera Tigris ($393)Seat 2: JADAN ($202.50)Seat 3: sergiobenso ($270.50)Seat 4: AKBONES ($1,149.05)Seat 5: Tommy 2 Toe ($195)Seat 6: antistuff ($398)Seat 7: BenG2813 ($399.50)Seat 8: floridaman3 ($374.25)Seat 9: Omsk2009 ($256)AKBONES posts the small blind of $1Tommy 2 Toe posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [3s Ac Qd Ks]antistuff calls $2BenG2813 foldsfloridaman3 foldsPantera Tigris raises to $9JADAN foldssergiobenso foldsAKBONES raises to $31Tommy 2 Toe foldsantistuff raises to $104Pantera Tigris foldsAKBONES has 15 seconds left to actAKBONES calls $73*** FLOP *** [Qs 9d 5h]AKBONES checksantistuff bets $219AKBONES calls $219*** TURN *** [Qs 9d 5h] [Jc]AKBONES has 15 seconds left to actAKBONES checksantistuff bets $75, and is all inAKBONES calls $75antistuff shows [3s Ac Qd Ks]AKBONES shows [Ts Ad 5s 3d]*** RIVER *** [Qs 9d 5h Jc] [Ah]antistuff shows two pair, Aces and Queens, for highAKBONES shows two pair, Aces and Fives, for highantistuff wins the pot ($804) with two pair, Aces and QueensNo low hand qualified*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $807 | Rake $3Board: [Qs 9d 5h Jc Ah]Seat 1: Pantera Tigris folded before the FlopSeat 2: JADAN didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: sergiobenso (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 4: AKBONES (small blind) showed [Ts Ad 5s 3d] and lost with HI: two pair, Aces and FivesSeat 5: Tommy 2 Toe (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 6: antistuff showed [3s Ac Qd Ks] and won ($804) with HI: two pair, Aces and QueensSeat 7: BenG2813 didn't bet (folded)Seat 8: floridaman3 didn't bet (folded)Seat 9: Omsk2009 is sitting out

[jmbreslin 0]

Holy crap, I sat down at a .02-.05 PLO8 table last night for the first time in a while and I was shocked at the terrible play. The table was very active and guys were overplaying and overcalling high only hands (and not great ones either) like it was PLO. Is this kind of thing common at the low stakes?

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Holy crap, I sat down at a .02-.05 PLO8 table last night for the first time in a while and I was shocked at the terrible play. The table was very active and guys were overplaying and overcalling high only hands (and not great ones either) like it was PLO. Is this kind of thing common at the low stakes?

and the mid stakes and the high stakesfor some reason plo8 on stars has been softer as of late

[jmbreslin 0]

It was actually Tilt, not Stars. Here's a good hand from the session. Check out what SB minraises with and then what the BB calls with.Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP ($1.48)Button ($5.86)SB ($8.94)BB ($1.99)Hero (UTG) ($7.06)Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2, 6, J, 91 fold, MP calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, SB bets $0.10, BB calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05Flop: ($0.40) A, 2, J(4 players)SB bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20, 1 fold, Button calls $0.20Turn: ($1) 8(3 players)SB bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50, 1 foldRiver: ($2) Q(2 players)SB bets $1, BB calls $1Total pot: $4 | Rake: $0.26Results:SB had 5, 7, 6, K (Hi: high card, Ace, Lo: [ 8, 6, 5, 2, A ]).BB had 3, Q, 4, 9 (Hi: one pair, Queens, Lo: [ 8, 4, 3, 2, A ]).Outcome: BB won $3.74

[jmbreslin 0]

Here's another one. Check out Button's preflop call.Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comBB ($1.75)UTG ($2.14)MP ($5.19)CO ($7.28)Button ($3.56)Hero (SB) ($6.94)Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 4, Q, 3UTG bets $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.05Flop: ($0.52) J, Q, 2(3 players)UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets $0.05, UTG calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05Turn: ($0.67) A(3 players)UTG bets $0.05, 1 fold, Button calls $0.05River: ($0.77) 3(2 players)UTG bets $0.05, Button calls $0.05Total pot: $0.87 | Rake: $0.05Results:Button had Q, 9, 4, 2 (Hi: two pair, Queens and twos).UTG had 2, 5, K, A (Hi: two pair, Aces and twos).Outcome: UTG won $0.82

[jmbreslin 0]

All I have to say is, L-O-freakin-L. Check out these geniuses.Full Tilt No-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO ($8.52)Hero (Button) ($4.15)SB ($1.97)BB ($1.13)UTG ($5.15)MP ($1.35)Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, K, 4, AUTG bets $0.15, MP raises to $1.35 (All-In), 4 folds, UTG calls $1.20Flop: ($2.73) 2, 8, 10(2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: ($2.73) 6(2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($2.73) 10(2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: $2.73 | Rake: $0.18Results:UTG had 5, 3, 7, 7 (Hi: two pair, tens and sevens, Lo: [ 8, 6, 5, 3, 2 ]).MP had 2, 6, 5, 9 (Hi: two pair, tens and sixes).Outcome: UTG won $2.55

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

Here's another one. Check out SB's preflop fold here.Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comBB ($1.75)UTG ($2.14)MP ($5.19)CO ($7.28)Button ($3.56)Hero (SB) ($6.94)Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 4, Q, 3UTG bets $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.05Flop: ($0.52) J, Q, 2(3 players)UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets $0.05, UTG calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05Turn: ($0.67) A(3 players)UTG bets $0.05, 1 fold, Button calls $0.05River: ($0.77) 3(2 players)UTG bets $0.05, Button calls $0.05Total pot: $0.87 | Rake: $0.05Results:Button had Q, 9, 4, 2 (Hi: two pair, Queens and twos).UTG had 2, 5, K, A (Hi: two pair, Aces and twos).Outcome: UTG won $0.82

FYP B)

[jmbreslin 0]

Eh, I don't need to be calling raises and reraises OOP with marginal holdings against this crowd.

[Morphismus 0]

I just stumbled over that old post branding me as a donk (well, at least not literally - retard it is ), so I thought I should reply on that. This hand is about a year old, and I don’t remember it, but I try to reconstruct what I might have had in mind. Here is the original post with the hand history, below that you will find my comments.

i hate it when im right and then the retard calls anyway. his play is so consistent with a draw here(for him). turns out he plays hands he's scared of betting but feels like he has to bet them this way this way also. i can hear the voice in his stupid head "i have a full house how can i not bet?" then i hear the voice in his stupid head again "well, im beat here like always but i have a full house how can i fold". to my credit i was trying to push him off a better ace high and not a full house. but what i love is his bet on the river. why would anybody bet that river if they are going to call a raise like that?but what i hate is that if i don't win it back from him soon he's gonna get up, leave, and even worse than take my money with him feel good about himself. like he just did before i finished writing this. i posted this with his name so if you run across him you can have an easier time taking his money. i don't care who he loses to i just want him to lose. Full Tilt Poker Game #10110750764: Table Twin Lakes - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 10:25:20 ET - 2009/01/18Seat 1: Titiritero ($34.50)Seat 2: smoose60 ($53.35)Seat 3: meljohn ($26.90)Seat 4: Votex ($116.70)Seat 5: xRinkRat ($9)Seat 6: udomyex ($129.30), is sitting outSeat 7: Morphismus ($141.25)Seat 8: antistuff ($199.05)Seat 9: Paco J Jones ($106.50)xRinkRat posts the small blind of $0.50Morphismus posts the big blind of $1The button is in seat #4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Ac 7h 6d 2c]antistuff raises to $2Paco J Jones foldsTitiritero foldssmoose60 foldsmeljohn calls $2Votex foldsudomyex has returnedxRinkRat calls $1.50Morphismus calls $1*** FLOP *** [5d 3s Ts]xRinkRat checksMorphismus bets $4antistuff has 15 seconds left to actantistuff calls $4meljohn foldsxRinkRat folds*** TURN *** [5d 3s Ts] [Th]Morphismus bets $8antistuff calls $8*** RIVER *** [5d 3s Ts Th] [3d]Morphismus bets $16antistuff raises to $80Morphismus has 15 seconds left to actudomyex stands upMorphismus calls $64*** SHOW DOWN ***antistuff shows [Ac 7h 6d 2c] a pair of Tens, for highMorphismus shows [Kh 5c 5h Js] a full house, Fives full of Tens, for highMorphismus wins the pot ($189) with a full house, Fives full of TensNo low hand qualified*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $192 | Rake $3Board: [5d 3s Ts Th 3d]Seat 1: Titiritero didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: smoose60 didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: meljohn folded on the FlopSeat 4: Votex (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 5: xRinkRat (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 6: udomyex is sitting outSeat 7: Morphismus (big blind) showed [Kh 5c 5h Js] and won ($189) with HI: a full house, Fives full of TensSeat 8: antistuff showed [Ac 7h 6d 2c] and lost with HI: a pair of TensSeat 9: Paco J Jones didn't bet (folded)

My comments:1) Calling the minbet with the KJ55ss in the BB: Basically a terrible hand for Omaha 8, but I get 7:1, and since it’s pot limit, there’s such a thing as implied odds. However, folding here would have been fine, and would have been mandatory in a limit game, I guess.2) Flop 53T with two spades, and I have middle set. Not the best of all hands, but after the SB checks, I guess betting out for half the pot is not too bad to see what’s up; I guess it’s better than a check-call. I probably put antistuff on some kind of Aceish-duceish-lowish hand before the flop, which is consistent with an early position minbet in these games, though Aces with babies are perfectly possible, too. His flatcall with 2 players to call behind him confirmed my opinion that he has the nut-low draw, possible together with a flushdraw, although he might have raised in that case. He would have definitely raised with top set here to protect against the flush- and lowdraws, unless he has something like A2TTss, a not so likely raising hand. All in all, I probably felt that I’m still in front, yet with a very vulnerable hand given this action on the flop. I probably would have folded here to a large reraise, since I am behind a nutlow + straight + flushdraw, and of course the top set. What antistuff thinks about my hand? Maybe flushdraw or top set?3) Turn T – I just filled up. I probably felt now that I have a lock on the high, since a TT in his hand is now very unlikely, given the math and given the game we play. Raising only half the pot here – I don’t know if this is good or bad, a bit more might have been better, but I don’t know what I thought here. I probably felt, however, that my hand is well concealed, since he, too, now won’t think I have TT in my hand. He flat calls again, and I stay with my read of him holding the nut low draw.4) River 3 – two pair on the board, a situation which in Omaha makes full houses somewhat unlikely. Yet, I have one, and I probably felt good about it, and bet out half the pot again. Again, I don’t know why I chose this size of a raise. Anyway – he reraises big, yet not the maximum, and the log says I was thinking, before I decided to just call. How confident I was regarding my hand I don’t know. But after all, what could he have? A TT in his hand – unlikely. A 33 – a bit more likely, with something like A332. But that’s basically it. Having a T3 or even a T5 in his hand is extremely unlikely given the math and the game; the quad treys scenario is basically the only one consistent with a reasonable PLO8 raising hand. So I probably put him on a bluff (people do that, you know), since he, on the other hand, can’t think I’m filled up, putting me on a busted flush / low. Given that, I probably just called because only the (unlikely) hands that beat me could call, but I probably should have gone allin in the case of the stubborn aces.Summarizing, except from the bet sizes were I’m not sure about and the preflop call, I don’t see too many mistakes here on my behalf. Also, I don’t see too many mistakes by antistuff. Calling on the flop with his nutlow-draw + gutshot to the nut high in a potential multi-way pot was ok. He probably should have tried to take it down on the turn, since here I could have still believed the T3 scenario. The bluff on the river – gutsy play, and not unreasonable. However, also in Omaha you should give the BB some credit for having a weird holding. Regarding the “i don't care who he loses to i just want him to lose.” comment: He should care about winning from whomever, instead of caring about other people losing to whomever. Everything else is just a waste of time.That’s my two cents – what do you guys think?

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I think the preflop call is pretty bad. The implied odds really aren't that good - pretty much the only highly profitable flops for you will be quads vs. top full house or the nut straight with a heart draw and those don't come along often. You'll more often get into trouble flopping a set of fives on a low board.The river should be a pretty easy call. Aside from T5, T3, TT, and 33 being pretty unlikely combos, the play on the preflop, flop, and turn is not consistent with those hands.

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i remember this. i was cranky. i posted that here to vent. i do stand by my analysis of your play though (minus the personal insults). as for the river in particular, if you put me on a low draw then why are you betting out? if im calling the turn with just a low draw then im obviously doing it with the intention of trying to take the pot from you on the river.