KramitDaToad 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I thought it was just me.No. There's a few of you that spew idiocy;) Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 No. There's a few of you that spew idiocy;) What happens in the religous forum, stays in the religous forum. Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 The idiocy you spew is amazing.how is going after admitted war criminals idiocy? do you support our use of torture? do you support high officials being considered above the law? do you not have any backup to anything that you say? Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 prepare to be upset then. Obama has way too many things on his plate to risk a long, drawn out legal battle with GWB and Cheney which will inevitably ruin any chance of the GOP being on board with Obama's administration. No good can come from that.i think there is a lot of good that can come from it. i dont think the GOP is on board anyway. plus they have little to no power. this doesnt have to happen right now, but it needs to happen because it sets a dangerous precedent if we let our own admitted war criminals get away. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 i think there is a lot of good that can come from it. i dont think the GOP is on board anyway. plus they have little to no power. this doesnt have to happen right now, but it needs to happen because it sets a dangerous precedent if we let our own admitted war criminals get away.Do you even know what the Geneva Convention says?Cause I am willing to bet you don't.In fact I am willing to bet that most of what you say comes right from your feelings, totally bypassing your brainLuckily it's a very short detour Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Do you even know what the Geneva Convention says?Cause I am willing to bet you don't.i know they are concerned with the treatment of prisoners of war, and i know they generally are against torture. even if i didnt know that i could just wikipedia it so this type of attack is useless on the internet. are you going to tell me they arnt prisoners of war now? Link to post Share on other sites
AmScray 355 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 i think there is a lot of good that can come from it. i dont think the GOP is on board anyway. plus they have little to no power. this doesnt have to happen right now, but it needs to happen because it sets a dangerous precedent if we let our own admitted war criminals get away.hahahahahaha, god, you're such a fucking retard.Baloonguy pegged you to the wall. You are 99% emotive, 1% reason.It's very common for leftists to be heavily slanted towards emotion over reason, but you take it to such an extreme degree that you're incapable of seeing the real world that exists before your very eyes.Hope hope hope! Change change change! Hope change hope change hope hope change! Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 i know they are concerned with the treatment of prisoners of war, and i know they generally are against torture. even if i didnt know that i could just wikipedia it so this type of attack is useless on the internet. are you going to tell me they arnt prisoners of war now?No I'm not going to say they aren't POWs.The Geneva Convention on the other hand will.In order to be a POW, you must be captured while wearing the uniform of your country.If you target civilians you are breaking the Geneva ConventionIf you behead aid workers you are breaking the GCIf you hide in churches, schools and hospitals and fire on soldiers then hide in the populace, you are breakig the GCIf you keep a guy up late and stick underwear on his head, and make him listen to loud music...you are not breaking the GCEven if it's Rosie O'donnel's underwear and the music is rap.So while you throw out catchy phrases and pretend you care, the facts remnain that you don't not really know what you are sayingWhich puts you about average for the democrat party though, so at least you are in good company. Link to post Share on other sites
El Guapo 8 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 how is going after admitted war criminals idiocy? do you support our use of torture? do you support high officials being considered above the law? do you not have any backup to anything that you say?1. There is no proof of torture. And to a certain extent I support tactics that get information our of war criminals that will save American lives.2. What law did anyone break? The reason there has been no charges, is because there is nothing to charge anyone with.3. Welcome war criminals into the US Penal system, that makes a lot of sense. Link to post Share on other sites
El Guapo 8 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Well he just signed a bill to give $40 Million in federal money so people can kill their fetuses. So I would put that around a negative fifty three or so. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N23463777.htm (-50,000,000)http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/23/mid...ee.1-414168.php (closing Gitmo could be worth a LOT of American lives, but it should be at LEAST -3,000) Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Close Gitmo. Yes I suppose you're right. I suppose that's the thing to do. Wait. Wait. I've got a better idea. Let's transfer the whole squad off the base. Let's -- on second thought the whole Windward division, let's transfer 'em off the base. Jon, go on out there and get those boys down off the fence, they're packing their bags. Get me the President on the phone, we're surrendering our position in Cuba. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Some of you guys are making your scorecard based on your interests as opposed to the interests of the country who put him in charge.Of course, it's totally fine to make your own scorecard, but i think listing YOUR scorecard should belong in another thread.There won't be one objective right or wrong. but does listing hyperbolic scores serve anyone's interest except your own desire to let your views be known? From my perspective, as soon as you say anything that fails to recognize an opposing view, I stop listening. Link to post Share on other sites
IBETUBET 0 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Close Gitmo. Yes I suppose you're right. I suppose that's the thing to do. Wait. Wait. I've got a better idea. Let's transfer the whole squad off the base. Let's -- on second thought the whole Windward division, let's transfer 'em off the base. Jon, go on out there and get those boys down off the fence, they're packing their bags. Get me the President on the phone, we're surrendering our position in Cuba.Nobody likes him very much... Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 hahahahahaha, god, you're such a fucking retard.Baloonguy pegged you to the wall. You are 99% emotive, 1% reason.It's very common for leftists to be heavily slanted towards emotion over reason, but you take it to such an extreme degree that you're incapable of seeing the real world that exists before your very eyes.Hope hope hope! Change change change! Hope change hope change hope hope change!you seem to be devoid of any ability to actually say anything. all of your posts consist of you laughing at your own worthless observations about other people on an internet forum, or cries for attention in the form of exaggerated, intentionally controversial statements.i seem to be seeing the same real world that most of the rest of the world sees, and a good amount of people in this country, including this constitutional law professor:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXeIrf7QDiw Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 1. There is no proof of torture. And to a certain extent I support tactics that get information our of war criminals that will save American lives.2. What law did anyone break? The reason there has been no charges, is because there is nothing to charge anyone with.3. Welcome war criminals into the US Penal system, that makes a lot of sense.please. there is plenty of evidence. including an off the record confession by bush, and on the record confessions by underlings in the cia. do some research. also anyone who has experience in the field will tell you that torture only gets unreliable information, if any at all. you are using the same terrible excuse that bush has used to go against everything this country stands for. and he has broken international laws against the use of torture. there are no charges because he was president.i mean seriously you basically just said that you would support torture to get information. no wonder you see no problem with any of this. Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 If you keep a guy up late and stick underwear on his head, and make him listen to loud music...you are not breaking the GCsemantics aside, a republican judge just ruled that a combination of technically legal procedures such as what you mention over time constitutes torture. and because of that, someone responsible for 9/11 can no longer be tried for the changes he was charged with. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 you seem to be devoid of any ability to actually say anything.to me, his post meant that you are naive if you believe anything like that would ever happen. what's more is that you put the responsibility on obama which disregards any precedent of law that i'm aware of.semantics aside, a republican judgedoes not compute. Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 can anyone here actually tell me why bush shouldnt be considered a war criminal if it has been established that his administration used waterboarding along with extended amounts of other "legal" forms of torture on detainees who had not been convicted or even charged of any crime? Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 can anyone here actually tell me why bush shouldnt be considered a war criminal if it has been established that his administration used waterboarding along with extended amounts of other "legal" forms of torture on detainees who had not been convicted or even charged of any crime?Frank Reynolds waterboarded Sweet Dee in an episode of It's Always Sunny. She seems fine enough. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 can anyone here actually tell me why bush shouldnt be considered a war criminal if it has been established that his administration used waterboarding along with extended amounts of other "legal" forms of torture on detainees who had not been convicted or even charged of any crime?Will you also be pushing for war criminal trials against Carter, Bush I, and Clinton? Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 can anyone here actually tell me why bush shouldnt be considered a war criminal if it has been established that his administration used waterboarding along with extended amounts of other "legal" forms of torture on detainees who had not been convicted or even charged of any crime? you make it feel like i'm crazy if i agree with you. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 can anyone here actually tell me why bush shouldnt be considered a war criminal if it has been established that his administration used waterboarding along with extended amounts of other "legal" forms of torture on detainees who had not been convicted or even charged of any crime?Let's see, can I argue that Bush shouldn't be tried for war crimes, for doing something you call legal, on people that don't exist?No, you got me there.Hey did you see the news about the former Gitmo detainee who left after 6 years and is now back to running terrorist cells?storyDon't you hate it when you find out these innocent people being held for no reason turn out to actually be terrorist? Oh well, I will bet that the next time a well armed marine grunt sees this guy, he won't be taken prisoner and shipped to an island where he will be fed, given a prayer rug and daily visits by the ACLU to ensure he isn't kept up after his bedtime.We can't ship thm to Canada apparently, since they won't even take a guy who hasn't bomber the US for over 30 years and has friends in the White HouseOh and how do you feel about Pakistan asking Obama to stop targeting Al Qeda strongholds because Al Qeda is putting them near civilians? I guess there's nothing we can do but surrender, I mean it would be our fault if someone innocent dies right? Link to post Share on other sites
AmScray 355 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 i seem to be seeing the same real world that most of the rest of the world sees, and a good amount of people in this country, including this constitutional law professor:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXeIrf7QDiw Good. Then perhaps you would be willing to pit your solid comprehension of real-world goings on against my disconnection with a little wager. We can post with a neutral 3rd party.You bet that anyone from the Bush crew will be tried for war crimes.I bet that no one from the administration will be tried for war crimes.I will lay you 6-1- minimum bet $100- and we can set up some sort of a time frame. Now, I can't forecast what your excuse will be for not taking the bet (I will make side action on that too), but if I'm wrong and you sincerely believe that you're correct and firmly grasping reality- that there is indeed a realistic chance of this happening- then surely one parallel universe in five would indict them in a court of law, so I'm giving you a +ev situation to prove that you sincerely believe in what you're saying, as opposed to being a typical delusionaly idealistic leftist retard prattling a bunch of pie-eyed nonsense that has no application whatsoever to the real world, even though you insist that it does. Time to put your money where your mouth is, Corky. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Here's the title of the story:Obama breaks from BushFirst paragrapg to set the tone of the story: WASHINGTON - Barack Obama opened his presidency by breaking sharply from George W. Bush's unpopular administration, but he mostly avoided divisive partisan and ideological stands. He focused instead on fixing the economy, repairing a battered world image and cleaning up government.Here's the interesting paragraph:He decreed that interrogators must follow techniques outlined in the Army Field Manual when questioning terrorism suspects, even as he ordered a review that could allow CIA interrogators to use other methods for high-value targets. Also, while a new White House rule limits staffers' previous lobbying activities, exceptions were made for at least two senior administration officials.So he is stopping torture, but might keep the option open for high-vaue targets....which is who we were 'torturing' in the first place.He is stopping all former lobbyist from influencing his administration at lower levels, but he is okay with a couple in the upper level.Anyone think the headlines for the story would have been different if McCain would have been elected here?Besides changing to McCain makes a break from Bush? Link to post Share on other sites
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