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[vbnautilus 48]

Which is why I pointed out that the comparison is frivolous.

No... you pointed out that there was no chair representing the corporation itself in the board room as if that were evidence that there is no will to the thing; I am countering that there is no such chair in you either, yet you regard yourself as willfull.

Small groups organized specifically for the purpose of a specific activity can engage in willful activity, and if someone felt the need to anthropomorphize that, I suppose we could say that the Red Cross "wants" to help people. But to say a nation wants something is a bit silly. There is pretty much nothing that even a few thousand people can agree on much less 300 million.

All of the parts of an entity do not have to agree for the entity to engage in a purposeful activity. That almost never happens within an individual, and it needn't happen at the level of a country for that country to accomplish its goals. The size of an organization has nothing to do whether or not it has goals. The PTA has goals, the ALCU has goals, and the nation has goals. Homogeneity within is not required.

[20TN40 0]

if you were born in iraq you'd be a muslim because of your parents. US christians are no different. to say otherwise is to deny obvious facts about religious demographics.

That's just BS and you know it. The parents would have taught the kids about Muslim beliefs but that doesn't not mean they will accept those beliefs. If your assumption was correct, there would be no atheists in America because all the parents would have brainwashed them into being Christians.

[vbnautilus 48]

That's just BS and you know it. The parents would have taught the kids about Muslim beliefs but that doesn't not mean they will accept those beliefs.

Not always, but most of the time. It's obviously a culturally transmitted belief. Otherwise, Iraq would no longer be a muslim nation, and there would be just as many christians as zoroastrians here in the states.

[brvheart 1,752]

LOL you're so disingenuous it's a joke... let me bring something back up...You called Obama a fascist, and you compared him to Hitler. This is "fully supporting" our new president? Give me an fing break. If I considered any president an actual fascist, I would 100 percent not support their presidency, and root for their impeachment/assassination the entire time. I strongly doubt you understand what the word fascist really means, but at any rate, you're certainly using it as a pejorative, and not in a supportive way.

I get the feeling you don't understand what he meant be 'fully supporting'. It's more along the lines of acknowledging and respecting his position. We can disagree respectfully. Also, comparing what someone says to something Hilter said is NOT saying that they are Hitler, and you know this, which makes it disappointing that you would say it. Just because people don't know what Hitler said, doesn't mean we can't bring it up and say, "Wait a sec... I think I've heard this somewhere before." No one thinks Obama is Hitler, but his some of his policies may be close. Also Guapo has already posted the definition of fascism that he was using and it applies.EDIT: Personally however, I'm more in Lois' camp on this issue. I do not support Obama and hope the republicans in office can filibuster like hell for the next 8 years, because I don't want to live in the U.S.S.R. That being said, I absolutely would be devastated if anything happened to him or his family while he was president. It would really cause a major major wound to America and possible destory her.

[20TN40 0]

I don't know why the guy is even bothering trying among this bunch of heathens. Hardly worth the typing.After reading the past couple of pages I will say this- I am the opposite of El Guapo, I do not support this presidency until it shows me that everything it said it stood for is a complete lie. Until then, I will assume that he was telling the truth and we are headed down the wrong path. Like I have said before, this will be a great opportunity to bring conservatism alive again, once the U.S. gets a whiff of the Obama magic in action. It isn't going to be pretty.

Because SHE just can't sit here and listen to the BS about Christianity. Of course anyone with half a brain could determine just from the posts of myself, BG, and others on this forum.......we aren't doing the browbeating. We're just trying to debunk some of the misinformation these people have spewed.

[PMJackson21 0]

That's just BS and you know it. The parents would have taught the kids about Muslim beliefs but that doesn't not mean they will accept those beliefs. If your assumption was correct, there would be no atheists in America because all the parents would have brainwashed them into being Christians.

Well, besides the obvious that not all American parents are Christians to begin with, I find it hard to fathom that people are comparing the religious 'environment' in Iraq (or any of the middle eastern Muslim countries) to the US.

[crowTrobot 2]

Why is that? I think sunsets are beautiful so if I want you to come look at sunsets with me and enjoy them as much as I do, is that a cult?

presumably you aren't a christian because you think it's a beautiful thing. you are a christian because you think stories in the bible are objectively true. going on about god being about love, compassion etc. says nothing about whether you're right about the bible the not. it's meaningless babble designed to appeal to people's irrational emotions at the expense of their reason. typical cult methodology.

[Balloon guy 158]

What's funny is that so many helpy helpertons on the left want to tell us poor loser republicans to cut off the religious right and be more like neverta..i.e. anti religious right so we can have a chance to win anytime in the future.

[20TN40 0]

Not always, but most of the time. It's obviously a culturally transmitted belief. Otherwise, Iraq would no longer be a muslim nation, and there would be just as many christians as zoroastrians here in the states.

Exposure is key, I admit. But there are many religions and many choices. Isn't there even a couple different options with Muslims? The same is for any religious belief. Christians as a whole focus on the Bible but there is a huge difference in interpretation between a Baptist and a Catholic and even several different interpretations in the Baptist faith alone.

[Balloon guy 158]

presumably you aren't a christian because you think it's a beautiful thing. you are a christian because you think stories in the bible are objectively true. going on about god being about love, compassion etc. says nothing about whether you're right about the bible the not. it's meaningless babble designed to appeal to people's irrational emotions at the expense of their reason. typical cult methodology.

Yea, it's only the Bible that makes people even think there is a Higher Power running things.Shame you guys can't burn all them Bibles, cause then no one would ever think of a Being like God without that pesky book.

[brvheart 1,752]

Well, besides the obvious that not all American parents are Christians to begin with, I find it hard to fathom that people are comparing the religious 'environment' in Iraq (or any of the middle eastern Muslim countries) to the US.

This is correct. Apples and oranges.

presumably you aren't a christian because you think it's a beautiful thing. you are a christian because you think stories in the bible are objectively true. going on about god being about love, compassion etc. says nothing about whether you're right about the bible the not. it's meaningless babble designed to appeal to people's irrational emotions at the expense of their reason. typical cult methodology.

Crow, this is the political forum, please go back to the religious forum where everyone can avoid going so as not to have to listen to you crap. Also, please disprove the Bible. You are claiming it's not true so prove it. thx. (In the religious forum only please)

[20TN40 0]

Well, besides the obvious that not all American parents are Christians to begin with, I find it hard to fathom that people are comparing the religious 'environment' in Iraq (or any of the middle eastern Muslim countries) to the US.

Well, they must be! He said that all babies are born atheist and then the parents brainwash them. Then part of the brain dies and you can't recover unless your Lance Armstrong. B)

[brvheart 1,752]

Exposure is key, I admit. But there are many religions and many choices. Isn't there even a couple different options with Muslims? The same is for any religious belief. Christians as a whole focus on the Bible but there is a huge difference in interpretation between a Baptist and a Catholic and even several different interpretations in the Baptist faith alone.

Learn about other religions... it's important. The major ones are Sunni's and Shiites. Sunni's, in general, are the crazy ones.(read: evangelical Christians) Obama bin Hussein Laden is a Sunni.

[crowTrobot 2]

No more than anything else that is learned, like jeans and t-shirts, but eventually everyone chooses whether or not they want to wear jeans or dockers

80% of the US call themselves christian and 90% of iraq is muslim. obviously there's something besides simple choice involved.

it's not nearly as indoctrinating as you like to paint it. Out of all the kids I knew growing up in church, maybe 30% still go? Maybe, 30% might be a little high.

yeah a lot of youth are becoming irreligeous - that's irrelevant. most of those that DO have any religious inclination at all left would still identify with christianity because of their upbringing.

[20TN40 0]

presumably you aren't a christian because you think it's a beautiful thing. you are a christian because you think stories in the bible are objectively true. going on about god being about love, compassion etc. says nothing about whether you're right about the bible the not. it's meaningless babble designed to appeal to people's irrational emotions at the expense of their reason. typical cult methodology.

You're presumptions are wrong. /discussion

[El Guapo 8]

LOL you're so disingenuous it's a joke... let me bring something back up...You called Obama a fascist, and you compared him to Hitler. This is "fully supporting" our new president? Give me an fing break. If I considered any president an actual fascist, I would 100 percent not support their presidency, and root for their impeachment/assassination the entire time. I strongly doubt you understand what the word fascist really means, but at any rate, you're certainly using it as a pejorative, and not in a supportive way.

I get the feeling you don't understand what he meant be 'fully supporting'. It's more along the lines of acknowledging and respecting his position. We can disagree respectfully. Also, comparing what someone says to something Hilter said is NOT saying that they are Hitler, and you know this, which makes it disappointing that you would say it. Just because people don't know what Hitler said, doesn't mean we can't bring it up and say, "Wait a sec... I think I've heard this somewhere before." No one thinks Obama is Hitler, but his some of his policies may be close. Also Guapo has already posted the definition of fascism that he was using and it applies.

I was going to respond but brvheart said about exactly what I was going to.

[crowTrobot 2]

That's just BS and you know it. The parents would have taught the kids about Muslim beliefs but that doesn't not mean they will accept those beliefs.

but obviously the vast majority do accept them, which is something you aren't going to be able to explain if relgious belief is a matter of fair choice.

If your assumption was correct, there would be no atheists in America because all the parents would have brainwashed them into being Christians.

no because a minority will always break from the beliefs of their parents.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

but obviously the vast majority do accept them, which is something you aren't going to be able to explain if relgious belief is a matter of fair choice.no because a minority will always break from the beliefs of their parents.

I didnt know you liked arguing with brick walls.

[brvheart 1,752]

I didnt know you liked arguing with brick walls.

It works both ways. Anyone that is incapable of changing their position is a brick wall. We need more brick walls in the world. People that won't change their core beliefs when the going gets tough.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

It works both ways. Anyone that is incapable of changing their position is a brick wall. We need more brick walls in the world. People that won't change their core beliefs when the going gets tough.

Yeah, right.

[checkymcfold 0]

It works both ways. Anyone that is incapable of changing their position is a brick wall. We need more brick walls in the world. People that won't change their core beliefs when the going gets tough.

wow this makes me sad.

[El Guapo 8]

wow this makes me sad.

I don't think he meant it the way you took it, I could be wrong though.

[crowTrobot 2]

Yea, it's only the Bible that makes people even think there is a Higher Power running things.Shame you guys can't burn all them Bibles, cause then no one would ever think of a Being like God without that pesky book.

obviously 20TN was talking specifically about christianity, not belief in a generic higher power. your religious prejudice is showing.

[Balloon guy 158]

wow this makes me sad.

I knowcapitulation is so much more 21st centurywell except for when Chamberlin tried it, which I guess makes it 20th century also

[crowTrobot 2]

Crow, this is the political forum, please go back to the religious forum where everyone can avoid going so as not to have to listen to you crap.

i will when you say that to everyone else that expressed a religious opinion in this thread before me.

Also, please disprove the Bible. You are claiming it's not true

actually i did no such thing.