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[Acid_Knight 2]

It isn't a vacuum though. My guess is just like Matt he looked at the graph and thought "holy ****, 58k hands, that he sucks!!!" I dunno, I guess I could be wrong but comments he has made in the last 2 weeks and in the well lead me to believe that he has an issue with me for some reason.

I saw his comment in a vaccuum. I know that playing 1/2 HU, I'd get there in a lot fewer hands, but that's beside the point. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I did look at the graph and I thought to myself:1. Holy hell, that's the number of hands I expect to play in 3 months2. That seems like a lot of work (volume of hands) for that profit3. The line is pretty straight and I have no idea if that's actually a good winrate or a bad oneI know that you're a really good player and if that's a good expected winrate for a solid player 10-tabling 6m or FR, then what else needs to be said? It doesn't matter if it's different than HU, because you don't play HU. It'd be akin to someone mocking my winrate at HU NLHE cause their winrate at HU PLO is crushing it. You're not comparing apples to apples when you do that.So, whatever. Winrates are higher HU. Variance is lower at 6m. You actually earn rakeback (or your pokerstars point equivilant) which is a HUGE amount of money on a monthly basis for you. I'm happy with my winrate HU. You're happy with your winrate at your games. What else matters?

[bull62 0]

It isn't a vacuum though. My guess is just like Matt he looked at the graph and thought "holy ****, 58k hands, he sucks!!!" I dunno, I guess I could be wrong but comments he has made in the last few weeks and in the well lead me to believe that he has an issue with me or something for some reason

That's what I'm saying. I don't know the context. If you hadn't said something, I would never have given it a second thought.

[Acid_Knight 2]

That's what I'm saying. I don't know the context. If you hadn't said something, I would never have given it a second thought.

I would ask rdog if it's that time of the month, but someone his age should've hit menopause by now, right?(couldn't help myself)

[bull62 0]

2. That seems like a lot of work (volume of hands) for that profit

Serious question. Is 10 tabling 6max really more work than 2 tabling HU? If we get away from ptbb and use hourly rate instead, how would this compare to hu?

[Dratj 0]

Rdog, I read your well thread again, fwiw, I think Jordan's is just all jokes, I wouldn't worry too much about it. You can dish it out pretty good too to some people and he's just mildly ribbing you, so I wouldn't worry about.

[bull62 0]

I would ask rdog if it's that time of the month, but someone his age should've hit menopause by now, right?(couldn't help myself)

I'm older than Rdog.

[Dratj 0]

Serious question. Is 10 tabling 6max really more work than 2 tabling HU? If we get away from ptbb and use hourly rate instead, how would this compare to hu?

I'm guessing yes.

I'm older than Rdog.

no way, how old are you?

[Acid_Knight 2]

Serious question. Is 10 tabling 6max really more work than 2 tabling HU? If we get away from ptbb and use hourly rate instead, how would this compare to hu?

I have no idea what it would take to 10 table 6m. I know that when I started playing online, I was 4 tabling and it was taking a decent bit of effort. When I switched to HU, I could only 1 table. I got to 2 tabling and evolved to where I don't lose anything playing 2 tables and I think I'm nearing the point where I can play 3 different opponents on 3 HU tables and not really lose much of a step. If I'm two tabling, it is actually very relaxing for me.As for my winrate, playing only 1/2, it was a shade over $100/hr or so I think. Now that I'm playing a mix of 1/2, 2/4 and 3/6, it's much higher. Since turning pro, my rate per hour since 9/1/08 is $240/hr. It says the average tables is 1.65, which means that I'm usually playing 1 guy and waiting for more action a lot of the time. Throw in a shade more for rake, and I'm out-earning my old job 8-1. LOL engineeringaments

[Acid_Knight 2]

I'm older than Rdog.

He seems grumpy tonight. You rarely do, aside from when you're posting some hands. :)I'm just having fun anyway. Everyone makes fun of his age and stuff, and I hadn't taken my shot yet.

[RDog 0]

1. Holy hell, that's the number of hands I expect to play in 3 months2. That seems like a lot of work (volume of hands) for that profit3. The line is pretty straight and I have no idea if that's actually a good winrate or a bad one

The problem is you guys look at #2 like its a bad thing and you even say it there in a way that you see it that way. Just really LOL in what profession that work ethic is a bad thing. I don't look at the graphs you guys post and think "what a bunch of lazy ****s" and even go as far as to post it. Cause that is basically what Jordan did. I certainly don't think my way is the only way and hell, it might not be the best way. But acting like playing 10k hands of HU poker a month is the only admirable or the right approach to poker is LOL.

[bull62 0]

no way, how old are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUSvXzYnQZM

[chgocubs99 0]

I've now played 12k hands of HU and made $69.80, FYI.

[Dratj 0]

$240/hr[/b]. It says the average tables is 1.65, which means that I'm usually playing 1 guy and waiting for more action a lot of the time. Throw in a shade more for rake, and I'm out-earning my old job 8-1. LOL engineeringaments

guess Jordan is a damn good coach or you are a damn good student.

[BaseJester 1]

Your calculations are close. There is also some 2/4 in there. And a couple thousand hands of lower limits from coaching sessions. And yes I would take a win rate like that for the rest of my life 10 tabling. Win rates mass tabling at 6m or FR are certainly never going to be anywhere close to 2 tabling HU. In the end I don't really care, all that matters is money.

That's like $150/hour, right? Sounds pretty darn good to me. Especially since your approach doesn't require you to keep a lot of capital tied up in a bankroll.

[Naismith 0]

guess Jordan is a damn good coach or you are a damn good student.

Dude, Matt isn't even that good.

[Dratj 0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUSvXzYnQZM

that the weirdest thing I've seen in a long time, old greg.

[Dratj 0]

Dude, Matt isn't even that good.

sw obv. right? $240/hr is good enough for me.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The problem is you guys look at #2 like its a bad thing and you even say it there in a way that you see it that way. Just really LOL in what profession that work ethic is a bad thing. I don't look at the graphs you guys post and think "what a bunch of lazy ****s" and even go as far as to post it. Cause that is basically what Jordan did. I certainly don't think my way is the only way and hell, it might not be the best way. But acting like playing 10k hands of HU poker a month is the only admirable or the right approach to poker is LOL.

I think you're inferring A LOT here. I think most of this whole disagreement or whatever we want to call it comes from the fact that HU players see that graph and think "holy shit, 58k hands" and instantly relate that to the same quantity of hands HU and FR or 6m players see a HU player's graph of 10k hands and chuckle at the lack of volume.The other day, it took me 6 hours to play 1660 hands. 6 HOURS. That's because I don't play every person that comes along and sometimes I have to wait for opponents. Getting in hands HU while game selecting involves more than just sitting down at the table because we have to find the right opponents. To play 58k hands would take an extraordinary amount of time and/or lack of game selection and/or massive multitabling.I mean, I already said it doesn't matter and I'm not even sure why we're having this back and forth. I just think you are coming off as overly sensitive about Jordan's comments.

[Acid_Knight 2]

guess Jordan is a damn good coach or you are a damn good student.

I kind of stumbled across HU on my own. I was struggling to break even at 6m when I started on the stake with him, which surprised me since I thought I'd be better at it, but I sucked.I had a CR memebership and watched some of the videos and realized how to play fundamentally better at HU and I just developed my own style from there.Not to take anything away from Jordan or whatever, but he didn't really do that much coaching of my play.

[chgocubs99 0]

The problem is you guys look at #2 like its a bad thing and you even say it there in a way that you see it that way. Just really LOL in what profession that work ethic is a bad thing. I don't look at the graphs you guys post and think "what a bunch of lazy ****s" and even go as far as to post it. Cause that is basically what Jordan did. I certainly don't think my way is the only way and hell, it might not be the best way. But acting like playing 10k hands of HU poker a month is the only admirable or the right approach to poker is LOL.

I'm having a problem articulating my response to this post but I'm sorry if it seems jumbled. I'll disclaim it by saying I'm not reffering to Matt or Jordan at all, just responding to the post in general.Poker is weird. You are a rare breed that thinks of it is as a job. Most think of it as a way to spend only a few hours a day on average "working". That's not to say that people that think that way can't be as succesful or don't work hard on their game, but its just two different mindsets. A lot of it has to do with the gambling aspect of it, and I think a ton of it has to do with the age of the average poker player. Again, these are generalizations and I know there are young people that grind it like a 9-5 and don't live the usual lifestyle.One of my biggest problems with poker players in general is that almost all of them act like they are above anyone that works a real job. The arrogance and cockiness of their general attitude, combined with a lot of potential immaturity (usually because of age), and the aforementioned gambling aspect where it is suddenly cool to be a "degenerate", and what do you get? Arrogant young people with a shitload of money who don't think of it as a real job, and think that anyone that has a real job is beneath them.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I've now played 12k hands of HU and made $69.80, FYI.

I'm not a good coach.

[Suited_Up 2]

I've now played 12k hands of HU and made $69.80, FYI.

Maybe I should coach you. lol.

[Acid_Knight 2]

You're not a good student?

FYP?

[Acid_Knight 2]

FYP?

Maybe we need to get more time in.

[Suited_Up 2]

So, whatever. Winrates are higher HU. Variance is lower at 6m. You actually earn rakeback (or your pokerstars point equivilant) which is a HUGE amount of money on a monthly basis for you. I'm happy with my winrate HU. You're happy with your winrate at your games. What else matters?

I wanna go back to this though.I have yet to see this actually be the case. Can someone show me evidence of this unless the person is terrible?