This Election Is Becoming A Joke

[NickZepp 0]

The problem withmost of those comparisons is that they dont weight importance.Economy and taxes - couldnt be more differentWar on terror/domestic security - couldnt be more differentForeign policy/relations including Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan - couldnt be more differentThe 3 most important issues and they are as opposite as you get. Everything else is trivial.

Have you actually heard what they are saying? The only real big difference is about health care. I'm not even sure if they will end up being any different on getting out of Iraq at this point. Notice how Obama doesn't really say anything on Iraq because he knows it'll come down to what the military people want not what he wants.

[Jeepster80125 0]

Just because people want you to think that doesn't make it true. The real differences between the 2 are health care and a slight difference in the tax thing. But Tax will be raised roughly the same amount with a small % difference in their plans if you look at the real facts. And also the differences between Clinton-Bush, Clinton-Dole, Bush-Gore, much bigger than differences between Obama-McCain politically. Just because one is young and the other is old doesn't make them completely different. They basically are going to go about things the same way. Both are pretty liberal. I don't think either will do the country any good, and I wish a more rightest view would step up and make the government a bit more balanced. Historically when the government takes a lean one way or another it ends up real bad. Just look at the causes of the Vietnam conflict and the Civil War those were because of extreme views taking over.

I think you should know. Unless you provide links or some sort of proof to what you're saying, no one will take you seriously here. It's evident you're interested in participating in discussion, you should be citing your sources.Just helping out.

Have you actually heard what they are saying? The only real big difference is about health care. I'm not even sure if they will end up being any different on getting out of Iraq at this point. Notice how Obama doesn't really say anything on Iraq because he knows it'll come down to what the military people want not what he wants.

Stuff like this won't get you any points around here.

[El Guapo 8]

So I heard on the radio last night that Obama's non response to the inquisition of his Birth Certificate and whereabouts of his birth are = to admitting to not being a born citizen in a court of law and that legally he is supposedly supposed to withdrawal from the election.Anyone know anything about this?

[gobears 0]

So I heard on the radio last night that Obama's non response to the inquisition of his Birth Certificate and whereabouts of his birth are = to admitting to not being a born citizen in a court of law and that legally he is supposedly supposed to withdrawal from the election.Anyone know anything about this?

Snopes - Obama Birth Certificate

[El Guapo 8]

Snopes - Obama Birth Certificate

I was commenting specifically on the fact he had not responded to the court.

[NickZepp 0]

If you look at all the actual facts McCain will end up raising taxes slightly more than Obama for most people. But the rich will get taxed slightly less for Obama and slightly more for McCain. But it's not even that much of a difference if you look at it. When it comes down to it we have 2 candidates running on similar platforms. They just word it different to make theirs look better and to attack the other guy.

[Jeepster80125 0]

If you look at all the actual facts McCain will end up raising taxes slightly more than Obama for most people. But the rich will get taxed slightly less for Obama and slightly more for McCain. But it's not even that much of a difference if you look at it. When it comes down to it we have 2 candidates running on similar platforms. They just word it different to make theirs look better and to attack the other guy.

Seriously buddy, I'm just trying to help you here. For gosh sakes, I nearly agree with you.PLEASE CITE A SOURCE IF YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ATTEMPT TO PARTICIPATE IN A DISCUSSION WHILE CITING "FACTS".

[NickZepp 0]

Seriously buddy, I'm just trying to help you here. For gosh sakes, I nearly agree with you.PLEASE CITE A SOURCE IF YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ATTEMPT TO PARTICIPATE IN A DISCUSSION WHILE CITING "FACTS".

I don't need to cite sources. It's pretty easy to find them if you know where to look. There's several sources if you know where to look, you can't just use a few sources though, just look at all the actual facts out there.

[Jeepster80125 0]

I don't need to cite sources. It's pretty easy to find them if you know where to look. There's several sources if you know where to look, you can't just use a few sources though, just look at all the actual facts out there.

Oh, nice move, you got me.Joke account.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

Oh, nice move, you got me.Joke account.

Please show links that show what he's saying isn't accurate if you feel so strongly about it.People make statements in this forum all the time without showing links and even when there is a link it often proves nothing since it's so easy to find a source for whatever your point of view is even if that source is full of crap.

[Balloon guy 158]

Please show links that show what he's saying isn't accurate if you feel so strongly about it.People make statements in this forum all the time without showing links and even when there is a link it often proves nothing since it's so easy to find a source for whatever your point of view is even if that source is full of crap.

Show me one time this has happened

[FCP Bob 1,312]

Show me one time this has happened

As always, you win.

[copernicus 0]

FYPAlso, some people (not me) rank abortion rights up there, so that one would be included in the 'differences' column.... well, depending on which speech of theirs you believe.

You need to brush up on the difference between a big stick and meeting with despots without preconditions.Abortion is meaningless wrt to the POTUS. anybody who ranks it as a major issue doesnt understand the issue.

[Jeepster80125 0]

People make statements in this forum all the time without showing links and even when there is a link it often proves nothing since it's so easy to find a source for whatever your point of view is even if that source is full of crap.

Obviously bob, chill out. My point is that people who post generalized blanket statements of that sort don't usually have much credibility, whereas those posters who provide links to back up whatever they're saying, automatically hold more water. Of course we can click on the link or whatever if we choose, or we can take that poster at their word. I'm only trying to help the guy. Obviously he's trying to participate, good for him.

Please show links that show what he's saying isn't accurate if you feel so strongly about it.

Again, take it easy. Please don't be so quick to jump on my ass. I'm not attacking the guy, I'm not even sure what he's trying to say. Let's take a look.I see five posts in the last two pages of this thread of his.

The republican party basically gave up when they basically became the democrat party some 15 years ago. Really there isn't a difference between the 2 candidates other than some minor differences. They are both real liberal and neither will end up doing the right thing. I'm afraid we may become a communist country when all is said and done though. But if that's what the American people want, that is what we get. I won't complain.

This statement can't really be called either accurate or inaccurate, I don't think it really says anything or states a position. It's too general.

Just because people want you to think that doesn't make it true. The real differences between the 2 are health care and a slight difference in the tax thing. But Tax will be raised roughly the same amount with a small % difference in their plans if you look at the real facts. And also the differences between Clinton-Bush, Clinton-Dole, Bush-Gore, much bigger than differences between Obama-McCain politically. Just because one is young and the other is old doesn't make them completely different. They basically are going to go about things the same way. Both are pretty liberal. I don't think either will do the country any good, and I wish a more rightest view would step up and make the government a bit more balanced. Historically when the government takes a lean one way or another it ends up real bad. Just look at the causes of the Vietnam conflict and the Civil War those were because of extreme views taking over.

Here he's stating differences, but doesn't state what the differences are, or even what the specifics are. It's confusing, and not specific enough, in my opinion.

Have you actually heard what they are saying? The only real big difference is about health care. I'm not even sure if they will end up being any different on getting out of Iraq at this point. Notice how Obama doesn't really say anything on Iraq because he knows it'll come down to what the military people want not what he wants.

This is such a general statement, it's completely unneccessary.

If you look at all the actual facts McCain will end up raising taxes slightly more than Obama for most people. But the rich will get taxed slightly less for Obama and slightly more for McCain. But it's not even that much of a difference if you look at it. When it comes down to it we have 2 candidates running on similar platforms. They just word it different to make theirs look better and to attack the other guy.

I guess we'll agree to disagree bob, but making a post like this without citing a source is inviting people to ignore you, and it's evident that he's trying to participate. I'm just offering advice, which helps everyone.

I don't need to cite sources. It's pretty easy to find them if you know where to look. There's several sources if you know where to look, you can't just use a few sources though, just look at all the actual facts out there.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm sure any idiot can find the candidates' websites. Is that better bob?

[brvheart 1,752]

Obviously bob, chill out. My point is that people who post generalized blanket statements of that sort don't usually have much credibility, whereas those posters who provide links to back up whatever they're saying, automatically hold more water. Of course we can click on the link or whatever if we choose, or we can take that poster at their word. I'm only trying to help the guy. Obviously he's trying to participate, good for him. Again, take it easy. Please don't be so quick to jump on my ass. I'm not attacking the guy, I'm not even sure what he's trying to say. Let's take a look.I see five posts in the last two pages of this thread of his.This statement can't really be called either accurate or inaccurate, I don't think it really says anything or states a position. It's too general.Here he's stating differences, but doesn't state what the differences are, or even what the specifics are. It's confusing, and not specific enough, in my opinion.This is such a general statement, it's completely unneccessary.I guess we'll agree to disagree bob, but making a post like this without citing a source is inviting people to ignore you, and it's evident that he's trying to participate. I'm just offering advice, which helps everyone.I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm sure any idiot can find the candidates' websites. Is that better bob?

no it's not, because Bob didn't have anything to do with that conversation. Why are you even bothering to respond to him. He is always jumping into conversations and trying to back up bad democrat arguments. (Usually just from Daniel, but occasionally others) He wouldn't have said anything at all if NickZepp was a Republican, I would bet my kids life on it.

[CaneBrain 95]

He wouldn't have said anything at all if NickZepp was a Republican, I would bet my kids life on it.

bad parenting.

[brvheart 1,752]

bad parenting.

What if I don't like my kid?

[CaneBrain 95]

What if I don't like my kid?

practical parenting.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

no it's not, because Bob didn't have anything to do with that conversation. Why are you even bothering to respond to him. He is always jumping into conversations and trying to back up bad democrat arguments. (Usually just from Daniel, but occasionally others) He wouldn't have said anything at all if NickZepp was a Republican, I would bet my kids life on it.

NickZepp appears to me to be an independent or more likely a disaffected Republican.The reason I jumped in was because Jeep was jumping on somebody who was trying to get involved in the conversation. He thinks he was trying to help the guy but that isn't how it came across to me.If you think I support Democrats maybe it's because the level of civility from many Republicans in this forum isn't very high at times and I often jump into things when somebody is being an *******.Calling somebody a joke account because they don't post the way that you want them to whether it is intended or not ( and I don't think Jeep intended to be ) is coming across as an *******.

[akoff 0]

maybe it's because the level of civility from many Republicans in this forum isn't very high at times and I often jump into things when somebody is being an *******.

While your comment is certainly true that knife does cut both ways. The combination of a keyboard and grey goose is not always the best!!!

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Jeep - I 've told you, you can't call people names around here......except of course "ass hole" and "Raving Idiot" since those are apparently on the approved list of Civil Insults.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

NickZepp appears to me to be an independent or more likely a disaffected Republican.The reason I jumped in was because Jeep was jumping on somebody who was trying to get involved in the conversation. He thinks he was trying to help the guy but that isn't how it came across to me.If you think I support Democrats maybe it's because the level of civility from many Republicans in this forum isn't very high at times and I often jump into things when somebody is being an *******.Calling somebody a joke account because they don't post the way that you want them to whether it is intended or not ( and I don't think Jeep intended to be ) is coming across as an *******.

I find it somewhat interesting and even a little disappointing that Mods can use the term "*******" to insult someone while the rest of us have it filtered.

[Jeepster80125 0]

NickZepp appears to me to be an independent or more likely a disaffected Republican.The reason I jumped in was because Jeep was jumping on somebody who was trying to get involved in the conversation. He thinks he was trying to help the guy but that isn't how it came across to me.If you think I support Democrats maybe it's because the level of civility from many Republicans in this forum isn't very high at times and I often jump into things when somebody is being an *******.Calling somebody a joke account because they don't post the way that you want them to whether it is intended or not ( and I don't think Jeep intended to be ) is coming across as an *******.

I'll quote his post again, here.

I don't need to cite sources. It's pretty easy to find them if you know where to look. There's several sources if you know where to look, you can't just use a few sources though, just look at all the actual facts out there.

I'm fairly certain I'm not the only one who read that post and thought, "Okay, one of our more creative veterans made a handle to be over the top, engage non-democrats and make them look stupid." I thought it was could be a level. Joke's on me. I'm sorry Bob, but I don't think people need to have their hands held all the time. That's absurd. If someone can't handle criticism, then these boards aren't the place for them. I can be civil and respectful, and tell someone they haven't been making sense. I don't see the problem with that.I think I've been more than respectful in this thread.

Jeep - I 've told you, you can't call people names around here......except of course "ass hole" and "Raving Idiot" since those are apparently on the approved list of Civil Insults.

Duly noted!

[brvheart 1,752]

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/politi...350/detail.html

[Nimue1995 1]

Beaver High School? Lol so much comic potential there, it's hard to know what to choose.