Mixed Game Challenge Thread

[AAsnake88 0]

K....Help me here Jamie cuz I am a PLO donk...U flop TP/TK w/ nut flush draw and a gutter ball.He flops Two Pair w/ a 3rd nut flush draw.I understand why u get in there, but why is his play so bad?

Once Jamie 3bets the flop, his tp and likely his fd are never good there.This is just a donkey being a donkey imo.

[Vick12 0]

Once Jamie 3bets the flop, his tp and likely his fd are never good there.This is just a donkey being a donkey imo.

Not his top pair...his 2 pair.Like...hard to put Jamie on KK since no raise preflop and 33 is unlikely as well. Reallu on K7 and 77 have him killed and he does have the FD to fall back on if he is already beat...no?

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Once Jamie 3bets the flop, his tp and likely his fd are never good there.This is just a donkey being a donkey imo.

TBH I am not sure I like his 3-bet on the flop, because generally at these levels, unless you have a read that the Villain is competent, more often a C/R from the SB after BB shows strength is a sign of trips/2pr on that board.Granted once you 3-bet, his call with 2pr is HORRIBLE....but IDK if I can 3bet in that spot without a good read.Did you have any reads on him?if you think he is bad, are you just trying to coinflip with him (at best)?

[Pdiddydog 0]

TBH I am not sure I like his 3-bet on the flop, because generally at these levels, unless you have a read that the Villain is competent, more often a C/R from the SB after BB shows strength is a sign of trips/2pr on that board.Granted once you 3-bet, his call with 2pr is HORRIBLE....but IDK if I can 3bet in that spot without a good read.Did you have any reads on him?if you think he is bad, are you just trying to coinflip with him (at best)?

Jamie's hand was NOT a coinflip he was almost a 2 to 1 favorite, the whole table overplayed hands and let him push them around the entire tournament.

[checkymcfold 0]

he had a fd too, his play was fine, but it is important to say that he's literally never ahead when i 3bet the flop. he's probably priced in against the range i'd do that with, though. there are a lot of draws that i can have there. the main problem is that if i have a made hand, he functionally has a fd.i'm not flipping with him--i'm a pretty big favorite there, as i knew, fwiw. he had consistently overplayed 2p hands in 4 card games.

[gfdsa146 0]

I'm a newb to O/8, so critques on actions made in the hand are welcome along with why I made the right or wrong move. Correction of my own lines of thinking are welecome too.I was afraid of 23 on the flop being that it was a limped pot and someone could have some random 23 in their hands. On the turn, the guy lead the flop all of a sudden checks, so I eliminate 23 from his hand. But the overcaller leads all of a sudden telling me that he's either made a low or some high hand. However, in hindsight, a high hand seems less likely because the board's so dry. I wasnt sure of which one it was so i do what i always do when i'm confused - i call.River, same line of thinking - confused = call.PokerStars Game #20639963735: Tournament #109978765, $3.00+$0.30 8-Game (Omaha Hi/Lo Limit) - Level III (50/100) - 2008/09/23 17:46:37 ETTable '109978765 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: JoJo UK (2450 in chips) Seat 2: golferusa1 (2930 in chips) Seat 3: MSLA_Maniac (410 in chips) Seat 4: vitobullets (340 in chips) Seat 5: gfdsa146 (1300 in chips) Seat 6: @m@n (1570 in chips) vitobullets: posts small blind 25gfdsa146: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to gfdsa146 [4d Qs Th 2h]@m@n: calls 50JoJo UK: calls 50golferusa1: folds MSLA_Maniac: folds vitobullets: calls 25gfdsa146: checks *** FLOP *** [As Jh 5s]vitobullets: checks gfdsa146: checks @m@n: bets 50JoJo UK: calls 50vitobullets: folds gfdsa146: calls 50*** TURN *** [As Jh 5s] [7h]gfdsa146: checks @m@n: checks JoJo UK: bets 100gfdsa146: calls 100@m@n: calls 100*** RIVER *** [As Jh 5s 7h] [Qc]gfdsa146: checks @m@n: checks JoJo UK: bets 100gfdsa146: calls 100@m@n: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***JoJo UK: shows [Jd 2d 8d 4c] (HI: a pair of Jacks; LO: 7,5,4,2,A)gfdsa146: shows [4d Qs Th 2h] (HI: a pair of Queens; LO: 7,5,4,2,A)gfdsa146 collected 425 from potgfdsa146 collected 213 from potJoJo UK collected 212 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 850 | Rake 0 Board [As Jh 5s 7h Qc]Seat 1: JoJo UK showed [Jd 2d 8d 4c] and won (212) with HI: a pair of Jacks; LO: 7,5,4,2,ASeat 2: golferusa1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: MSLA_Maniac (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: vitobullets (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 5: gfdsa146 (big blind) showed [4d Qs Th 2h] and won (638) with HI: a pair of Queens; LO: 7,5,4,2,ASeat 6: @m@n folded on the River

[Ko8e34 0]

I'm a newb to O/8, so critques on actions made in the hand are welcome along with why I made the right or wrong move.I was afraid of 23 on the flop being that it was a limped pot and someone could have some random 23 in their hands. On the turn, the guy lead the flop all of a sudden checks, so I eliminate 23 from his hand. But the overcaller leads all of a sudden telling me that he's either made a low or some high hand. However, in hindsight, a high hand seems less likely because the board's so dry. I wasnt sure of which one it was so i do what i always do when i'm confused - i call.River, same line of thinking - confused = call.PokerStars Game #20639963735: Tournament #109978765, $3.00+$0.30 8-Game (Omaha Hi/Lo Limit) - Level III (50/100) - 2008/09/23 17:46:37 ETTable '109978765 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: JoJo UK (2450 in chips) Seat 2: golferusa1 (2930 in chips) Seat 3: MSLA_Maniac (410 in chips) Seat 4: vitobullets (340 in chips) Seat 5: gfdsa146 (1300 in chips) Seat 6: @m@n (1570 in chips) vitobullets: posts small blind 25gfdsa146: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to gfdsa146 [4d Qs Th 2h]@m@n: calls 50JoJo UK: calls 50golferusa1: folds MSLA_Maniac: folds vitobullets: calls 25gfdsa146: checks *** FLOP *** [As Jh 5s]vitobullets: checks gfdsa146: checks @m@n: bets 50JoJo UK: calls 50vitobullets: folds gfdsa146: calls 50*** TURN *** [As Jh 5s] [7h]gfdsa146: checks @m@n: checks JoJo UK: bets 100gfdsa146: calls 100@m@n: calls 100*** RIVER *** [As Jh 5s 7h] [Qc]gfdsa146: checks @m@n: checks JoJo UK: bets 100gfdsa146: calls 100@m@n: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***JoJo UK: shows [Jd 2d 8d 4c] (HI: a pair of Jacks; LO: 7,5,4,2,A)gfdsa146: shows [4d Qs Th 2h] (HI: a pair of Queens; LO: 7,5,4,2,A)gfdsa146 collected 425 from potgfdsa146 collected 213 from potJoJo UK collected 212 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 850 | Rake 0 Board [As Jh 5s 7h Qc]Seat 1: JoJo UK showed [Jd 2d 8d 4c] and won (212) with HI: a pair of Jacks; LO: 7,5,4,2,ASeat 2: golferusa1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: MSLA_Maniac (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: vitobullets (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 5: gfdsa146 (big blind) showed [4d Qs Th 2h] and won (638) with HI: a pair of Queens; LO: 7,5,4,2,ASeat 6: @m@n folded on the River

I raise the turn and c/c the river since it seems like you are freerolling at this point unless you get counterfeited.

[gfdsa146 0]

I raise the turn and c/c the river since it seems like you are freerolling at this point unless you get counterfeited.

and if he has 23, he's supposed to raise the flop then, right? Thats why we raise the turn?

[AAsnake88 0]

Not his top pair...his 2 pair.Like...hard to put Jamie on KK since no raise preflop and 33 is unlikely as well. Reallu on K7 and 77 have him killed and he does have the FD to fall back on if he is already beat...no?

Reading comprehension ftw. I didn't see 2pr in your post nor did I see it in the HH.Either way, I still think the important part is Jamie's 3 bet, as he's never in good shape with a 2pr/3rd flush hand there.

[Pdiddydog 0]

I raise the turn and c/c the river since it seems like you are freerolling at this point unless you get counterfeited.

This type of play works way better in Stud 8, he shows up there with 42 or 32 more often then you think and with a better draw or high.

[mase_gotsem 0]

i play that o8 hand the same in most cases i think you played it fine .

[troyomac 0]

Question. Are the blinds the same for the NL/PL games as for the limit? I would like playing 10/20 for the limit games, but not so much for the NL or PLO.

[Ko8e34 0]

Question. Are the blinds the same for the NL/PL games as for the limit? I would like playing 10/20 for the limit games, but not so much for the NL or PLO.

I think they are half in NL/PL than in FL, although I'm not positive.

[Pdiddydog 0]

I think they are half in NL/PL than in FL, although I'm not positive.

They do decrease the blinds for the NL/PL games.

[checkymcfold 0]

Question. Are the blinds the same for the NL/PL games as for the limit? I would like playing 10/20 for the limit games, but not so much for the NL or PLO.

i believe that they're 1/4.

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Jamie's hand was NOT a coinflip he was almost a 2 to 1 favorite, the whole table overplayed hands and let him push them around the entire tournament.

he had a fd too, his play was fine, but it is important to say that he's literally never ahead when i 3bet the flop. he's probably priced in against the range i'd do that with, though. there are a lot of draws that i can have there. the main problem is that if i have a made hand, he functionally has a fd.i'm not flipping with him--i'm a pretty big favorite there, as i knew, fwiw. he had consistently overplayed 2p hands in 4 card games.

As I said...I was saying that a check-raise there in that spot versus most competent players indicates a set SOOOOO much... Assume he had Jd-4d-7s-7c, then suddenly YOU are the 2-1 dog. I'm not trying to defend the dude who called your 3-bet...that is just plain SPEW to call the 3bet there....I am saying that UNLESS you know the guy is shoving 2pair junk like that all the time, you are 2-1 favorite maybe 1/4 the time (if he has top/bottom+fd), 50-50 1/4 the time (if he has top 2+fd), and 2-1 dog the other 1/2 of the time (if he has 77xx or 33xx+fd)Granted you said you had a read against him so that makes the play easier to pull off...but I am just talking in generalizations here...more often than not, a c/r from the SB in a BvB player at these levels is something that you are lucky to be coinflipping with.

[Flushgarden 0]

I can't do this because I still don't know how to play holdem. lol

[checkymcfold 0]

As I said...I was saying that a check-raise there in that spot versus most competent players indicates a set SOOOOO much... Assume he had Jd-4d-7s-7c, then suddenly YOU are the 2-1 dog. I'm not trying to defend the dude who called your 3-bet...that is just plain SPEW to call the 3bet there....I am saying that UNLESS you know the guy is shoving 2pair junk like that all the time, you are 2-1 favorite maybe 1/4 the time (if he has top/bottom+fd), 50-50 1/4 the time (if he has top 2+fd), and 2-1 dog the other 1/2 of the time (if he has 77xx or 33xx+fd)Granted you said you had a read against him so that makes the play easier to pull off...but I am just talking in generalizations here...more often than not, a c/r from the SB in a BvB player at these levels is something that you are lucky to be coinflipping with.

i b/3b, he didn't c/r, and on a board texture like that, i'm pretty content to get it in against just about anything. since it's drawheavy, he has a double draw lots, which i crush, and if he has 2p, i'm far ahead, and if he has a set, i'm not far behind. this nearly as clear an instashovel as you can really have in plo, especially in a blind battle. i have tp, 2p redraws, a gutterball, and the nut flush draw on a drawheavy board. that's functionally the nuts in a HU pot against anyone who gets at all feisty.it's also usually a 2:1 shot to have a huge cl late in a tourney. i take this literally every time.

[AmScray 355]

Has anyone been playing the 8 Game SnG's on stars?The $13 ones seem to be attracting very strong low limit stud players who suck at flop games..

[jmbreslin 0]

and if he has 23, he's supposed to raise the flop then, right? Thats why we raise the turn?

No, lots of players will just call that flop with 23 and no high potential. If I have 23 there and no high potential I'm going to want to keep players in the hand to increase my low half of the pot and for protection against getting quartered.I'd actually seriously consider just folding that turn. The guy who called the flop and led the turn could easily be on 23, which means you may already be in bad shape on the low with no chance at the high half.

[gatortom64 1]

Ok, haven't been to Stars, but what is this 8 game tournament thingy?

2-7 Triple Draw - LHE - Omaha H/L - Razz - Stud - Stud 8 - NLHE - PLO

[antistuff 0]

i play gooooood. would have called 7th if he bet obv.PokerStars Game #20638478963: Tournament #109328097, $10+$1 8-Game (7 Card Stud Limit) - Level XXIX (600/1200) - 2008/09/23 16:48:17 ETTable '109328097 11' 6-maxSeat 1: dentistpeter (7521 in chips) Seat 2: checkymcfold (8984 in chips) Seat 3: St3phenHendr (10447 in chips) Seat 4: syscolin (14193 in chips) Seat 5: MisjelPee (17823 in chips) Seat 6: rex2732 (8040 in chips) MisjelPee: posts the ante 120rex2732: posts the ante 120dentistpeter: posts the ante 120checkymcfold: posts the ante 120St3phenHendr: posts the ante 120syscolin: posts the ante 120*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to dentistpeter [4c]Dealt to checkymcfold [Qs Kd Ac]Dealt to St3phenHendr [As]Dealt to syscolin [2s]Dealt to MisjelPee [Ah]Dealt to rex2732 [8h]syscolin: brings in for 180MisjelPee: folds rex2732: folds dentistpeter: folds checkymcfold: raises 420 to 600St3phenHendr: raises 600 to 1200syscolin: folds checkymcfold: calls 600*** 4th STREET ***Dealt to checkymcfold [Qs Kd Ac] [5h]Dealt to St3phenHendr [As] [Jd]St3phenHendr: bets 600checkymcfold: calls 600*** 5th STREET ***Dealt to checkymcfold [Qs Kd Ac 5h] [5c]Dealt to St3phenHendr [As Jd] [4s]checkymcfold: checks St3phenHendr: checks *** 6th STREET ***Dealt to checkymcfold [Qs Kd Ac 5h 5c] [7h]Dealt to St3phenHendr [As Jd 4s] [7d]checkymcfold: bets 1200St3phenHendr: calls 1200*** RIVER ***Dealt to checkymcfold [Qs Kd Ac 5h 5c 7h] [3c]checkymcfold: checks St3phenHendr: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***checkymcfold: shows [Qs Kd Ac 5h 5c 7h 3c] (a pair of Fives)St3phenHendr: mucks hand checkymcfold collected 6900 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 6900 | Rake 0 Seat 1: dentistpeter folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 2: checkymcfold showed [Qs Kd Ac 5h 5c 7h 3c] and won (6900) with a pair of FivesSeat 3: St3phenHendr mucked [5d Kh As Jd 4s 7d 8s]Seat 4: syscolin folded on the 3rd StreetSeat 5: MisjelPee folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 6: rex2732 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

i was watching when you played this hand. i noticed that just before he folded a hand to you when you had jacks on the board and said "no way not again" or something like that. i was wondering what got you to call him on 6th. im guessing the check on 5th.

[Pdiddydog 0]

i was watching when you played this hand. i noticed that just before he folded a hand to you when you had jacks on the board and said "no way not again" or something like that. i was wondering what got you to call him on 6th. im guessing the check on 5th.

No your 100% wrong, the villain was just a donk

[antistuff 0]

No your 100% wrong, the villain was just a donk

or im a retard. checky bet 6th, he didnt call it.

[checkymcfold 0]

i was watching when you played this hand. i noticed that just before he folded a hand to you when you had jacks on the board and said "no way not again" or something like that. i was wondering what got you to call him on 6th. im guessing the check on 5th.

oh, i valuebet 6th actually. he was super pissed at me and was obv making a move. 3 dead aces.edit: when i had the JJ before i had total air underneath, if i remember the hand correctly.