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I'd like this discussion to center on post flop play, not the decision to limp AA preflop.1/2 NL, Live game 9 players. Game was loose until a few players moved to a different game and it has tightened up significantly.Hero is SB with AsAh, playing 450. Villain (MP3) is reasonable player who doesn't mind moving chips around, limps a lot of hands but usually gets away if he doesn't hit the flop or have a large draw, stack about 280. Hero's image it very tight at this point.--UTG folds, UTG +1 calls, Folds to MP3 who calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks.Flop 5 players, 10.00 pot: 6s 5s 2dHero bets 11.00, BB folds, UTG+1 Calls, MP3 Calls, Button Folds.Turn 3 Players, 43.00 pot: 10hHero bets 18.00, UTG+1 folds, MP3 raises to 50.00, hero ?The turn bet looks small, but at this table that size bet was getting folded too a lot. Without raising my hand preflop there is no way he is putting me on AA which means he can be raising a wide variety of hands here. Raise, Fold, Call on turn?

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Raise, Fold, Call on turn?
Raise. Your hand is so under represented, he has a very broad range to play back at you with here. And don't limp AA no more. Limping sucks. Limping = playing tiny pots we win and huge pots we lose.BTW, is this PM? You are from Ames, right?
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Why was the topic was named "Getting Cute With Aces" instead of "Being ****ing Retarded With Aces?"I know you don't want people commenting on preflop, buy why on earth would you ever do this? It is really inexcusably bad for so many reasons IMO.I fold the turn. Your bet sizing was terrible on the turn here. There are a ton of draws out there and you got called twice on the flop. You NEED to bet more $$ on the turn. Yes, I read your comment at the end of the OP, but you still need to bet more $$. You said he's a tricky aggro player who will show up with a lot of hands. He can easily have 2 pair or one of many draws here. You're not in good shape against his range and I think the best move is abanding this hand and moving on to the next one.There are really so few ways to horribly misplay AA preflop and this is literally the 2nd worse example that I can think of. The thing that you could've done more wrong here was to be in the BB with AA and check your option.

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Is raise/fold an option?My reasoning would be like this. Your bets are weak.Hand is definately underrepresented and It looks like you played a suited Ace-4 or Ace-5 or sth. But if you reraise now you turn your hand into a set or straight in villains head.Assume you raise to 150 and he comes over the top all-in, then what?After reading this a2nd time. I think I fold here...

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I'd like this discussion to center on post flop play, not the decision to limp AA preflop.1/2 NL, Live game 9 players. Game was loose until a few players moved to a different game and it has tightened up significantly.Hero is SB with AsAh, playing 450. Villain (MP3) is reasonable player who doesn't mind moving chips around, limps a lot of hands but usually gets away if he doesn't hit the flop or have a large draw, stack about 280. Hero's image it very tight at this point.
That line says it all. We need to get out of the hand seeing how it was playedWe have no idea where the villain is in this hand, hence the reason it was just wrong to limp with AA. I know you have heard it enough and realize that is the main mistake in this hand, but it really can't be emphasized enough. Villain could have easily limped with 56s or something in that range, as well as 22, 55, 66. We have no information really where we started the hand out and are going in somewhat blind.
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Hmm... I have a feeling this could be one of the "I am villain" threads where you had Ts8s in MP3 and you lost.
Yeah, good call. I was just blinded by the potential idocy of limping AA there and siezed my chance to mock it!
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Hmm... I have a feeling this could be one of the "I am villain" threads where you had Ts8s in MP3 and you lost.
I hope so, I can't see OP ever playing the hand this way.
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"Hero's image it very tight at this point"If you don't even raise with aces, I imagine it would be.
Third time having aces in the last 40 minutes, played huge pots (including preflop raising and re-raising) with it the last two times which is what built the stack from the original buy in. I choose to vary my preflop play in this instance which is why if I wanted "OMG RAISE PREFLOP RESPONSES" I wouldn't have even posted.
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I'd like this discussion to center on post flop play, not the decision to limp AA preflop.1/2 NL, Live game 9 players. Game was loose until a few players moved to a different game and it has tightened up significantly.Hero is SB with AsAh, playing 450. Villain (MP3) is reasonable player who doesn't mind moving chips around, limps a lot of hands but usually gets away if he doesn't hit the flop or have a large draw, stack about 280. Hero's image it very tight at this point.--UTG folds, UTG +1 calls, Folds to MP3 who calls, Button calls, Hero calls,
Geez. I can't think of anything to say that would seem stupid in comparison to that flat call. I bow to the hero's prowess at creative ineptitude.
BB checks.Flop 5 players, 10.00 pot: 6s 5s 2dHero bets 11.00, BB folds, UTG+1 Calls, MP3 Calls, Button Folds.Turn 3 Players, 43.00 pot: 10hHero bets 18.00, UTG+1 folds, MP3 raises to 50.00, hero ?
****. Who ****ing knows? This is like the bridge analogy. (A person jumps off a bridge and wants to know what's the right thing to do half-way down. Well, wtf? Don't jump off the ****ing bridge.)I guess I push at this point. If the villain flatted the flop with a hand better than one pair on that board, good for him. I'll pay him off and then slap myself for playing the hand like a donkey.
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I fold the turn. Your bet sizing was terrible on the turn here. There are a ton of draws out there and you got called twice on the flop. You NEED to bet more $$ on the turn. Yes, I read your comment at the end of the OP, but you still need to bet more $$. You said he's a tricky aggro player who will show up with a lot of hands. He can easily have 2 pair or one of many draws here. You're not in good shape against his range and I think the best move is abanding this hand and moving on to the next one.
Since you had the most thought out response, let me ask you this. What hands would you raise the turn with when a T hits against a guy betting out of the SB on a 652 flop twice?
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Since you had the most thought out response, let me ask you this. What hands would you raise the turn with when a T hits against a guy betting out of the SB on a 652 flop twice?
Maybe 34suited or 2 pair. I am not really sure what else they could have here. I find it unlikely someone had JJ, or QQ or A10.
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ok i think this is extremely simple. you limped and got a 5 way flop with AA ok whatever i've tried it on overly aggressive tables. you bet the turn and got raised substantially. i don't really care whats on the flop as this is hardly ever ever ever a one paired hand. being that you have the As this eliminates ATss and only other hands i could possibly see you ahead of all be it rarely are QTss and KTss but i think thats probably < 5% of the time.if i played this hand this way i could see a c/c turn and river if i wanted to continue but b/f is fine. i'm definitely quitting on turn and smacking myself for playing this way afterwards.

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Since you had the most thought out response, let me ask you this. What hands would you raise the turn with when a T hits against a guy betting out of the SB on a 652 flop twice?
I would raise the turn with anything that I slowplayed on the flop, like 2 pair, a set or a straight. The thing is though, me personally, I'd never slowplay those hands on that flop, I'd just raise with them.Realistically, since the turn didn't bring a 2nd flush draw, the only hand that he's likely raising here that's not an semibluff is Txss. He often thinks he made the best hand on the turn but has a ton of outs if he doesn't. I think he's got a hand like that (and should have as many as 15 outs) or a hand that beats one pair a majority of the time here.If you really did play AA like this, can you explain why you thought that the best play was to slowplay that hand OOP to the whole field, which was all but guaranteed to be 4 opponents that you had no information about their hands? Do you see why this is such a massive mistake? It's not mixing up your play, it's just playing badly. I know that you don't want to hear about preflop choices, but this hand would be much more interesting if you raised to $12 and got 4 callers and the hand played out like it did.
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Since you had the most thought out response, let me ask you this. What hands would you raise the turn with when a T hits against a guy betting out of the SB on a 652 flop twice?
I think that is the problem, he can have a pretty wide range and I don't think we do very well against it. Would he raise here with just a T very often? I think villain raising with something like KT JT ect is bad because most of the time you are only calling with a flush draw or a better hand.
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If you really did play AA like this, can you explain why you thought that the best play was to slowplay that hand OOP to the whole field, which was all but guaranteed to be 4 opponents that you had no information about their hands? Do you see why this is such a massive mistake? It's not mixing up your play, it's just playing badly. I know that you don't want to hear about preflop choices, but this hand would be much more interesting if you raised to $12 and got 4 callers and the hand played out like it did.
I don't think it was the best play, I never claimed it was. I played it this way because after being super aggressive with aces twice recently I wanted to try something different and put myself in a difficult spot post flop with it. In retrospect, yes you are right. ABC poker would have been better here or doing this in position would have been better.I'm asking for how people would proceed on the turn. I'm curious how people proceed with very underrepresented aces facing a turn raise.I'm not posting the results of the hand right now EG.
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I don't think it was the best play, I never claimed it was. I played it this way because after being super aggressive with aces twice recently I wanted to try something different and put myself in a difficult spot post flop with it. In retrospect, yes you are right. ABC poker would have been better here or doing this in position would have been better.I'm asking for how people would proceed on the turn. I'm curious how people proceed with very underrepresented aces facing a turn raise.I'm not posting the results of the hand right now EG.
One thing that you really should take into consideration is, "what does it matter if I have have AA here?"By that I mean, how is AA any different than 99? Well, obviously if he had Tx, then he's ahead of 99. Are there any other differences? I don't really see many. Yeah, you have AA, but it's not like much (read: hardly any) of his range is made up of hands that care if you have 1 pair or not. I mean, he's got a draw of some kind or a hand that beats one-pair hands here almost always. With AA, the only hand you're really ahead of is Txss. Granted, if you had JJ and he decided to raise K9ss on the turn, he'd have another couple of outs than he would if you're holding AA, but essentially you have a 1 pair hand and almost all 1 pair hands are in the same shape against his range.Basically, it's not like he's showing up with JJ-KK here ever, so having AA isn't a huge departure from having A6 or something.
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