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Villain is an loose-aggressive donk. He hasn't been sitting too long. I am SLAG.No Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$16 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $98.50Hero: $288.05CO: $100.10Button: $193.34SB: $92.14BB: $105.30Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q :club: K :D UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, CO folds, Button raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: T :D A :D J :D ($17.5, 2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero raises to $23, Button raises to $46,Hero...OK what is my most EV line here?

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Villain is an loose-aggressive donk. He hasn't been sitting too long. I am SLAG.No Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$16 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $98.50Hero: $288.05CO: $100.10Button: $193.34SB: $92.14BB: $105.30Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q :club: K :D UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, CO folds, Button raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: T :D A :D J :D ($17.5, 2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero raises to $23, Button raises to $46,Hero...OK what is my most EV line here?
He's a lag donk?Call and check the turn and let him bluff shove, obv.
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What is his range do you think? If you think he ever has AT or AJ here, I just go ahead and reraise the flop and get it in. If you think he's ever got QJ/KJ type hands for a pair/gutter, I think you reraise the flop becuase he's gonna check back the turn a lot.I actually like the minreraise or repop him to like $99 tota.

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Seriously guys?How is this not a 4 bet? What hand is he 3 betting with that he can fold to a 4 bet? AK, Maybe JT, Maybe AT. Since he's a donk, I do NOT see him folding. I dont see how you can call and let paint fall or let the board pair. If he has QQ/KK and you call hes probably not gonna give any action unless more paint falls. I see little value to calling as it can only hurt you. If you were in position I can see a call here, but OOP I think you just have to get the money in ASAP.

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If you were in position I can see a call here, but OOP I think you just have to get the money in ASAP.
I agree and bad players will stack off with AK/AQ here sometimes too figuring they have lots of outs even if you have made 2 pair already.
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What hand is he 3 betting with that he can fold to a 4 bet?
"What hand is he raising with that he can fold to a three bet?""What hand is he betting with that he can fold to a raise?"This type of thinking is flawed... not necessarily the conclusion you came to, but this type of thinking is.
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Honestly after the minraise pf, I had him for incredibly strong, figured him for the set, but maybe AJ. If I am raising here, what do we like best, minbet, $110ish, shove?

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Honestly after the minraise pf, I had him for incredibly strong, figured him for the set, but maybe AJ. If I am raising here, what do we like best, minbet, $110ish, shove?
I raise just slightly above min raise make it look like there might be the slightest chance I will fold for the $50 more dollars. :)To be honest I probably fall into the trap of juts calling and watch the J roll off and kill my action.:club:
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Honestly after the minraise pf, I had him for incredibly strong, figured him for the set, but maybe AJ. If I am raising here, what do we like best, minbet, $110ish, shove?
I like the minbet or like $95. He's never not shoving AJ/AT or a set on you after you do that.doublenegatives FTW!
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"What hand is he raising with that he can fold to a three bet?""What hand is he betting with that he can fold to a raise?"This type of thinking is flawed... not necessarily the conclusion you came to, but this type of thinking is.
Explain.
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"What hand is he raising with that he can fold to a three bet?""What hand is he betting with that he can fold to a raise?"This type of thinking is flawed... not necessarily the conclusion you came to, but this type of thinking is.
This is actually fundamental. In general, each raise increment that someone makes represents a deeper and deeper commitment to the pot and a (theoretically) stronger and stronger hand.When someone puts in a 3rd bet post flop, they usually have total air or a hand that they will not fold.Take it 1 step down and you'll see people raise with a wide variety of made hands, draws and air on the flop without having made up their mind what they're going to do if they are raised.
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This is actually fundamental. In general, each raise increment that someone makes represents a deeper and deeper commitment to the pot and a (theoretically) stronger and stronger hand.When someone puts in a 3rd bet post flop, they usually have total air or a hand that they will not fold.Take it 1 step down and you'll see people raise with a wide variety of made hands, draws and air on the flop without having made up their mind what they're going to do if they are raised.
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I lead the flop. Everybody loves broadway flops. We'll get raised a lot.

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I almost never donk out, especially when I get 3bet preflop.
You should start doing it, I was suprised at how much value I get out of it. I especially like it on this board because I believe the money will get in the middle a lot more when he has a big hand. People don't want to believe that you will donk with the nuts so I think it makes it a good play.
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This is actually fundamental. In general, each raise increment that someone makes represents a deeper and deeper commitment to the pot and a (theoretically) stronger and stronger hand.
Thats not true in terms of bluffing, and information. which are 2 very big components to NL.
When someone puts in a 3rd bet post flop, they usually have total air or a hand that they will not fold.Take it 1 step down and you'll see people raise with a wide variety of made hands, draws and air on the flop without having made up their mind what they're going to do if they are raised.
Your excuse for 4 betting the flop is along the lines of, if he 3 bets, he has air or has something. Thats a pretty vague description and doesnt sell the idea of 4 betting very well.we get his chips when he has something, or he folds when he has air.what benefits come from a call, and turn check?If he has a hand, it doesnt matter. he bets the turn and we raise and money gets in the pot similar to the flop.Upside to this play, If he has air and we appear weak, we might just get him to make a big foolish bluff since he is a LAG.** There is some other considerations about a poor turn card. But then its a question of what do you believe to be a bigger factor, the odds of a K or Q peeling on the turn and potentially killing some action, or him having a hand not worthy of stacking off on the flop?
Dingalingadingdong
Is this what you consider yourself when you play poker?Also, another note.. this month issue of bluff has a great article about EV in it, many of you should read it since I strongly believe some people have a skewed opinion of how to apply it to poker hands in NL
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