checkymcfold 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 i dunno about NLHE, but in limit i doublebarrel that turn literally every time, jeff.edit: ok, against 90% of opponents. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 i dunno about NLHE, but in limit i doublebarrel that turn literally every time, jeff.edit: ok, against 90% of opponents.results thinking ftw Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 results thinking ftwno, entirely serious. in LHE a peel would be overs or a pair lower than jacks almost every time. the only hand that continues past the turn is precisely 77. Link to post Share on other sites
Ex_Matt 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I dont know what to make of this hand. When he calls the flop and sticks another $4 bet out on the turn, I put him on a big 4 and him trying to slow play it. I'm completely baffled by this hand.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($200)MP2 ($203.05)CO ($280.20)Button ($209.30)SB ($198)BB ($106.50)UTG ($184.80)UTG+1 ($152.70)Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $6.Flop: ($19) T, 4, 4(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises to $20, UTG+1 calls $16.Turn: ($59) 8(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero calls $4.River: ($67) Q(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises to $42, UTG+1 folds.Final Pot: $75Results in white below: Hero has Qd Qs (full house, queens full of fours). Outcome: Hero wins $75. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 looooooooool. Out of curousity What would be a good card?I agree with Snamuh, thats a bad card to double barrell. Good cards would be A, K, Q. Link to post Share on other sites
bull62 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 the only possible way he stacks me in that hand is if it comes exactly 7 then 4.....Come on peeps is it really that difficult to grasp?I understand this line of thinking 1000%. I can't count how many times this month that I've been ready to give up on the hand and then the only card that will make me continue comes and I end up losing even more. I think I hate this more than a bad beat. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 no, entirely serious. in LHE a peel would be overs or a pair lower than jacks almost every time. the only hand that continues past the turn is precisely 77.Exactly the same situation here. Hence my two outer comment Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 looooooooool. Out of curousity What would be a good card?An A, K, or Q. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I dont know what to make of this hand. When he calls the flop and sticks another $4 bet out on the turn, I put him on a big 4 and him trying to slow play it. I'm completely baffled by this hand.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($200)MP2 ($203.05)CO ($280.20)Button ($209.30)SB ($198)BB ($106.50)UTG ($184.80)UTG+1 ($152.70)Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $6.Flop: ($19) T, 4, 4(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises to $20, UTG+1 calls $16.Turn: ($59) 8(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero calls $4.River: ($67) Q(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises to $42, UTG+1 folds.Final Pot: $75Results in white below: Hero has Qd Qs (full house, queens full of fours). Outcome: Hero wins $75. Clubs.That was a toughy. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I agree with Snamuh, thats a bad card to double barrell. Good cards would be A, K, Q.really? Cause I woulda been more likely to shut down if an A, K or Q came. IMO that completly hits his range.I understand this line of thinking 1000%. I can't count how many times this month that I've been ready to give up on the hand and then the only card that will make me continue comes and I end up losing even more. I think I hate this more than a bad beat.IMO it is a bad beat. Link to post Share on other sites
Ex_Matt 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Clubs.That was a toughy.If he had clubs then his turn bet was just retarded and he's the worst player in the history of the world. If he had clubs, why would he BET the river? and why would he bet it so weak? I raised twice and called the turn, and he still bets out at the river?If I wasn't sober I was moving in on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 really? Cause I woulda been more likely to shut down if an A, K or Q came. IMO that completly hits his range.in NL i'm less inclined to think overs would peel, so i'd put him on a pair<J. i kinda agree with snamuh on the point that a better turn is a big card that would doubleovercard a pair. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 really? Cause I woulda been more likely to shut down if an A, K or Q came. IMO that completly hits his range.Instead of assuming Villain has scare cards, we have to bet like we do. By him just calling this flop I would almost always put him on a mid pair. That turn still isn't folding out 7's (obv), 8's, 9's, 10's. He isn't floating this flop with K high or Q high......the only time an Ace, King or Queen would hit his range is if he didn't 3 ball you pre with AK or AQ, which isn't often. Our range is much more likely to be those cards than his. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 If he had clubs then his turn bet was just retarded. If I wasn't sober I was moving in on him.LOLThe turn bet is retarded regardless of his two cards.That means it's "baffling"? Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Basically we want to be double barreling and triple barreling boards that change and even moreso boards that change and hit hands likely in our range. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Instead of assuming Villain has scare cards, we have to bet like we do. By him just calling this flop I would almost always put him on a mid pair. That turn still isn't folding out 7's (obv), 8's, 9's, 10's. He isn't floating this flop with K high or Q high......the only time an Ace, King or Queen would hit his range is if he didn't 3 ball you pre with AK or AQ, which isn't often. Our range is much more likely to be those cards than his.Ok I can see your point with the A,K, or Q but 55,66,88,99, and most likely 1010 fold to my 2nd barrel there like everytimeedit: villian was like 27/6 btw Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Instead of assuming Villain has scare cards, we have to bet like we do. By him just calling this flop I would almost always put him on a mid pair. That turn still isn't folding out 7's (obv), 8's, 9's, 10's. He isn't floating this flop with K high or Q high......the only time an Ace, King or Queen would hit his range is if he didn't 3 ball you pre with AK or AQ, which isn't often. Our range is much more likely to be those cards than his.Good stuff...thank you for explaining it without being arrogant about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Ex_Matt 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 LOLThe turn bet is retarded regardless of his two cards.That means it's "baffling"?Yes. I'm baffled by his play. The hand just made 0 sense. I cant put him on clubs with that dumbass river bet either. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Yes. I'm baffled by his play. The hand just made 0 sense. I cant put him on clubs with that dumbass river bet either.Its a blocker bet....Worked well toothe turn bet that is Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Yes. I'm baffled by his play. The hand just made 0 sense. I cant put him on clubs with that dumbass river bet either.LOLThe river bet is retarded, the turn bet is retarded, blah blah blahRetarded does not equal baffling...it equals retarded.Moving along. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Ok I can see your point with the A,K, or Q but 55,66,88,99, and most likely 1010 fold to my 2nd barrel there like everytimeedit: villian was like 27/6 btwA 27/6 might fold 55/66 but I don't think they are folding 88/99/1010. And we aren't folding out a Jack. He didn't get his 27/6 by mistake, he got it because he likes to use the call button. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 A 27/6 might fold 55/66 but I don't think they are folding 88/99/1010. And we aren't folding out a Jack. He didn't get his 27/6 by mistake, he got it because he likes to use the call button.interesting. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Instead of assuming Villain has scare cards, we have to bet like we do. By him just calling this flop I would almost always put him on a mid pair. That turn still isn't folding out 7's (obv), 8's, 9's, 10's. He isn't floating this flop with K high or Q high......the only time an Ace, King or Queen would hit his range is if he didn't 3 ball you pre with AK or AQ, which isn't often. Our range is much more likely to be those cards than his. Basically we want to be double barreling and triple barreling boards that change and even moreso boards that change and hit hands likely in our range.Yes. This is why you double barrel overs as scare cards. It makes it difficult to call with a lot of his flop calling range and they are cards that certainly fall into our preflop raising range. It's one of the many reasons to c-bet these flops in position, that there are many different turn cards that we can profitably bet again. Link to post Share on other sites
bull62 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 IMO it is a bad beat.I would probably file it under cooler. IMO they're different. Nitpicking now though. Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Teddy's mom.MarkeMarkSwartz says:That you haven't responded to my Teddy's mom post in the challenge thread is tilting me!!! Link to post Share on other sites
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