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no, entirely serious. in LHE a peel would be overs or a pair lower than jacks almost every time. the only hand that continues past the turn is precisely 77.
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I dont know what to make of this hand. When he calls the flop and sticks another $4 bet out on the turn, I put him on a big 4 and him trying to slow play it. I'm completely baffled by this hand.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($200)MP2 ($203.05)CO ($280.20)Button ($209.30)SB ($198)BB ($106.50)UTG ($184.80)UTG+1 ($152.70)Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Qdiamond.gif, Qspade.gif. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $6.Flop: ($19) Tclub.gif, 4heart.gif, 4club.gif(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises to $20, UTG+1 calls $16.Turn: ($59) 8diamond.gif(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero calls $4.River: ($67) Qheart.gif(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises to $42, UTG+1 folds.Final Pot: $75Results in white below: Hero has Qd Qs (full house, queens full of fours). Outcome: Hero wins $75.

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looooooooool. Out of curousity What would be a good card?
I agree with Snamuh, thats a bad card to double barrell. Good cards would be A, K, Q.
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the only possible way he stacks me in that hand is if it comes exactly 7 then 4.....Come on peeps is it really that difficult to grasp?
I understand this line of thinking 1000%. I can't count how many times this month that I've been ready to give up on the hand and then the only card that will make me continue comes and I end up losing even more. I think I hate this more than a bad beat.
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no, entirely serious. in LHE a peel would be overs or a pair lower than jacks almost every time. the only hand that continues past the turn is precisely 77.
Exactly the same situation here. Hence my two outer comment
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I dont know what to make of this hand. When he calls the flop and sticks another $4 bet out on the turn, I put him on a big 4 and him trying to slow play it. I'm completely baffled by this hand.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($200)MP2 ($203.05)CO ($280.20)Button ($209.30)SB ($198)BB ($106.50)UTG ($184.80)UTG+1 ($152.70)Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Qdiamond.gif, Qspade.gif. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $6.Flop: ($19) Tclub.gif, 4heart.gif, 4club.gif(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises to $20, UTG+1 calls $16.Turn: ($59) 8diamond.gif(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero calls $4.River: ($67) Qheart.gif(2 players)UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises to $42, UTG+1 folds.Final Pot: $75Results in white below: Hero has Qd Qs (full house, queens full of fours). Outcome: Hero wins $75.
Clubs.That was a toughy.
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I agree with Snamuh, thats a bad card to double barrell. Good cards would be A, K, Q.
really? Cause I woulda been more likely to shut down if an A, K or Q came. IMO that completly hits his range.
I understand this line of thinking 1000%. I can't count how many times this month that I've been ready to give up on the hand and then the only card that will make me continue comes and I end up losing even more. I think I hate this more than a bad beat.
IMO it is a bad beat.
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Clubs.That was a toughy.
If he had clubs then his turn bet was just retarded and he's the worst player in the history of the world. If he had clubs, why would he BET the river? and why would he bet it so weak? I raised twice and called the turn, and he still bets out at the river?If I wasn't sober I was moving in on the turn.
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really? Cause I woulda been more likely to shut down if an A, K or Q came. IMO that completly hits his range.
in NL i'm less inclined to think overs would peel, so i'd put him on a pair<J. i kinda agree with snamuh on the point that a better turn is a big card that would doubleovercard a pair.
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really? Cause I woulda been more likely to shut down if an A, K or Q came. IMO that completly hits his range.
Instead of assuming Villain has scare cards, we have to bet like we do. By him just calling this flop I would almost always put him on a mid pair. That turn still isn't folding out 7's (obv), 8's, 9's, 10's. He isn't floating this flop with K high or Q high......the only time an Ace, King or Queen would hit his range is if he didn't 3 ball you pre with AK or AQ, which isn't often. Our range is much more likely to be those cards than his.
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If he had clubs then his turn bet was just retarded. If I wasn't sober I was moving in on him.
LOLThe turn bet is retarded regardless of his two cards.That means it's "baffling"?
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Basically we want to be double barreling and triple barreling boards that change and even moreso boards that change and hit hands likely in our range.

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Instead of assuming Villain has scare cards, we have to bet like we do. By him just calling this flop I would almost always put him on a mid pair. That turn still isn't folding out 7's (obv), 8's, 9's, 10's. He isn't floating this flop with K high or Q high......the only time an Ace, King or Queen would hit his range is if he didn't 3 ball you pre with AK or AQ, which isn't often. Our range is much more likely to be those cards than his.
Ok I can see your point with the A,K, or Q but 55,66,88,99, and most likely 1010 fold to my 2nd barrel there like everytimeedit: villian was like 27/6 btw
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Instead of assuming Villain has scare cards, we have to bet like we do. By him just calling this flop I would almost always put him on a mid pair. That turn still isn't folding out 7's (obv), 8's, 9's, 10's. He isn't floating this flop with K high or Q high......the only time an Ace, King or Queen would hit his range is if he didn't 3 ball you pre with AK or AQ, which isn't often. Our range is much more likely to be those cards than his.
Good stuff...thank you for explaining it without being arrogant about it.
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LOLThe turn bet is retarded regardless of his two cards.That means it's "baffling"?
Yes. I'm baffled by his play. The hand just made 0 sense. I cant put him on clubs with that dumbass river bet either.
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Yes. I'm baffled by his play. The hand just made 0 sense. I cant put him on clubs with that dumbass river bet either.
Its a blocker bet....Worked well toothe turn bet that is
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Yes. I'm baffled by his play. The hand just made 0 sense. I cant put him on clubs with that dumbass river bet either.
LOLThe river bet is retarded, the turn bet is retarded, blah blah blahRetarded does not equal baffling...it equals retarded.Moving along.
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Ok I can see your point with the A,K, or Q but 55,66,88,99, and most likely 1010 fold to my 2nd barrel there like everytimeedit: villian was like 27/6 btw
A 27/6 might fold 55/66 but I don't think they are folding 88/99/1010. And we aren't folding out a Jack. He didn't get his 27/6 by mistake, he got it because he likes to use the call button.
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A 27/6 might fold 55/66 but I don't think they are folding 88/99/1010. And we aren't folding out a Jack. He didn't get his 27/6 by mistake, he got it because he likes to use the call button.
interesting. Thanks
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Instead of assuming Villain has scare cards, we have to bet like we do. By him just calling this flop I would almost always put him on a mid pair. That turn still isn't folding out 7's (obv), 8's, 9's, 10's. He isn't floating this flop with K high or Q high......the only time an Ace, King or Queen would hit his range is if he didn't 3 ball you pre with AK or AQ, which isn't often. Our range is much more likely to be those cards than his. Basically we want to be double barreling and triple barreling boards that change and even moreso boards that change and hit hands likely in our range.
Yes. This is why you double barrel overs as scare cards. It makes it difficult to call with a lot of his flop calling range and they are cards that certainly fall into our preflop raising range. It's one of the many reasons to c-bet these flops in position, that there are many different turn cards that we can profitably bet again.
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eMarkSwartz says:That you haven't responded to my Teddy's mom post in the challenge thread is tilting me!!!
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