pokerfan1080 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Don't be so senstive, seriously It's just poker.Some of the comments went beyond "just poker". It was uncalled for.I'm a rookie, I'm here to learn. If some of my play is bad, I don't expect to here comments like I heard tonight.We started this tourney to learn from each other. Let's do it with some respect. Is that to much to ask for? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 We started this tourney to learn from each other. Let's do it with some respect. Is that to much to ask for?nope it's not.don't take it too personally thoughsome players over estimate their talents and get enraged easilyAnd start being rude, picking on new guys too muchI yell back.just saying. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerfan1080 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 cop.....Great HU's play. I enjoyed it, and not just because I won. I usually play much more aggressive HU. But you were playing very conservative (I thought). So I was a little more patient.Good game. nope it's not.don't take it too personally thoughsome players over estimate their talents and get enraged easilyAnd start being rude, picking on new guys too muchI yell back.just saying.It's water under the bridge now. It's over with. Time to move on and hopefully it won't happen again. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 cop.....Great HU's play. I enjoyed it, and not just because I won. I usually play much more aggressive HU. But you were playing very conservative (I thought). So I was a little more patient.Good game.It's water under the bridge now. It's over with. Time to move on and hopefully it won't happen again.Lot easier for it to be water under the bridge after you whooped us all I'm looking for an 11th place showing next week, so if one of you would kindly not play that would be the easiest way for me to improve on my 12th. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Some of the comments went beyond "just poker". It was uncalled for.I'm a rookie, I'm here to learn. If some of my play is bad, I don't expect to here comments like I heard tonight.We started this tourney to learn from each other. Let's do it with some respect. Is that to much to ask for?Dude.Learn from my comments.Post your AK hand vs me.Post your KTo hand vs me.Post your pushes preflop into a pot of like 200. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I sucked 3 handed.and generally played poorly over all and caught good cardsI honestly, get really wound up for these..cant relaxAnxiety problems show up big time************************************* Post your pushes preflop into a pot of like 200.wait,,, sure that wasn't me Link to post Share on other sites
pokerfan1080 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Dude.Learn from my comments.Post your AK hand vs me.Post your KTo hand vs me.Post your pushes preflop into a pot of like 200.There's nothing to be learned from some of the comments.I shall post some hands, but not tonight, it's late. I'm going to bed. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I sucked 3 handed.and generally played poorly over all and caught good cardsI honestly, get really wound up for these..cant relaxAnxiety problems show up big time*************************************wait,,, sure that wasn't me I was excited for like 3 hours and I played for 7 or so minutes. Thanks for outplaying me all over. Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Dude.Learn from my comments.Post your AK hand vs me.Post your KTo hand vs me.Post your pushes preflop into a pot of like 200.You whined quite a bit after those hands. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I was excited for like 3 hours and I played for 7 or so minutes. Thanks for outplaying me all over.card rack early.and as predicted, card dead late when it matterslucky to fold my way to the money and picking Chris off twice.1 post, one prefId like Copernicus to psot the KQ hand,Zach or Chris maybe can post itMy gut tells me that he's against AQ/AK too often to race and underpair.It's not two underpairs enough, in my mind.BUt I need to see the numbers Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 card rack early.and as predicted, card dead late when it mattersyou are not clutch at poker Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 card rack early.and as predicted, card dead late when it matterslucky to fold my way to the money and picking Chris off twice.1 post, one prefId like Copernicus to psot the KQ hand,Zach or Chris maybe can post itMy gut tells me that he's against AQ/AK too often to race and underpair.It's not two underpairs enough, in my mind.BUt I need to see the numbersI didn't see the PF action but I saw the reaction to it. I'd like to see the hand too. I think we could be easier on the flaming during these tourneys too, as it is for fun/to get better/to play against people you respect.I didn't see what pokerfan was talking about, but I did see the reaction to Cop's play and though he's a vet and I'm sure can take it, I think it would be much more productive to promote debate.Like the AK v KK hand with Cop and....IQCrash? I'd like to see it, I think it was just a bit of a cooler, but I'd like to see the numbers. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Here ya go Actuary. And Zach had ATo if I remember right.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP1 (t1655)MP2 (t4435)Hero (t820)Button (t945)SB (t2725)BB (t3090)UTG (t4330)Preflop: Hero is CO with 2, 2. 1 fold, MP1 raises to t450, 1 fold, Hero raises to t820, 2 folds, BB calls t670, MP1 calls t370.Flop: (t2535) 9, 3, K(3 players)BB bets t2270 (All-In), MP1 folds.Turn: (t4805) 7(2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t4805) 7(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t4805Results in white below: BB has Qc Kd (two pair, kings and sevens). Hero has 2c 2d (two pair, sevens and twos). Outcome: BB wins t4805. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I didn't see what pokerfan was talking about, but I did see the reaction to Cop's play and though he's a vet and I'm sure can take it, I think it would be much more productive to promote debate.I've made it clear to Copernicus publicly and privately that I have huge respect for him. He's a good guy and an excelent thinker in the game. I alos feel strongly that he understands where I come from. Student/Joking/Sarcasm prety much. Never anger, never ridicule.In fact, I'm never going to be angry in a $11 tourney against any FCPer. Some people I'm more comfortable saying / teasing though. Just familarity. I'm soaking up so much and appreciative of all of you. Wish I could stay calm and play like I would normally. I do like the extra FE here though Like the AK v KK hand with Cop and....IQCrash? I'd like to see it, I think it was just a bit of a cooler, but I'd like to see the numbers.to me the bubble and pos makes the decision more clear.Love to see it posted ,tooI could post some hands..but would never be able to defend, except to say "One time you'll call my 2300 into 600 when I flopped the flush and not semi bluffing" Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Hi.Worst call preflop, ever.I can't imagine how you can defend it. I'd like to see it though. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Here ya go Actuary. And Zach had ATo if I remember right.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP1 (t1655)MP2 (t4435)Hero (t820)Button (t945)SB (t2725)BB (t3090)UTG (t4330)Preflop: Hero is CO with 2, 2. 1 fold, MP1 raises to t450, 1 fold, Hero raises to t820, 2 folds, BB calls t670, MP1 calls t370.Flop: (t2535) 9, 3, K(3 players)BB bets t2270 (All-In), MP1 folds.Turn: (t4805) 7(2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t4805) 7(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t4805Results in white below: BB has Qc Kd (two pair, kings and sevens). Hero has 2c 2d (two pair, sevens and twos). Outcome: BB wins t4805. Yeah KQ call seems a bit loose. I think your play is worse with 22 though, I hate kamikaze bets like that. Link to post Share on other sites
IQCrash 1 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 to me the bubble and pos makes the decision more clear.Love to see it posted ,tooWith my stack and the bubble, I should have smooth called his reraised and taken a flop. In retrospect, I made a terrible push.But, in consideration of how loose Cop seemed to be playing at that point (calling w/ that KQo for example), I convinced myself that worst-case I was in a coinflip and more likely I was ahead. Meh. If I played every tournament perfectly, I'd be Phil Hellmuth. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Yeah KQ call seems a bit loose. I think your play is worse with 22 though, I hate kamikaze bets like that.Did you see my stack and the blinds? Are you kidding me? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 If Zach had ATo his preflop play is worse than Copernicus'sI don't like 22 all in eitherGiven the odds Zach hasAnd fact Coper defends a lot.Copers call is not that bad, pretty marginal looking nowIf Zach shoves, he's getting 3500 for 900.So, I think Cop has to figure on no re-pop a lot hereBecause the 3500-900 is going to be a call, and he's down to 1400 Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 You definitely want to race with your stack. (22) Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Does anybody realize my M is less than 4? At this table? Seriously. 4 to go till the money? Come on. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Did you see my stack and the blinds? Are you kidding me?Yes, I see both, first in VIG homie. Zach has to call you no matter what, so already its a coinflip at best to double, but a decent amount of the time its a PP better than yours, then if anyone else calls behind you, you are either crushed or in this situation like 1/3 to win. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 If Zach had ATo his preflop play is worse than Copernicus'sYou're kidding? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 You're kidding?no.I think this hand can be a super thread..lot to discuss Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 no.I think this hand can be a super thread..lot to discussWhat is your VPIP in tournies, like 4? Link to post Share on other sites
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