smash is a freaking genius.

[MychCumstien 0]

Hi,THE POINT OF THE STRATEGY IS NOT TO PLAY GOOD POKER AND PLAY THE PLAYER.THE POINT IS TO MAKE THE MOST MONEY WITH THE LEAST RISK BY PLAYING A MILLION TABLES OF SMALL STAKES NO LIMIT OVER TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HANDS.WHY IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?- Zach

If you like it? Then all the power to you, have fun with it. I personally think it's trash, and I seriously doubt that it will produce great results over the long run. It minimalizes risk, I'll give you that, but I didn't see people lining up to call all-in bets either. I think someone with an earlier post had a great point, that this strat may have been more effective awhile back, but players are better now, and don't fall for as much BS. As far as playing 20k hands of this style? No chance, I'd be losing to much money if I kept playing this way. I've read the previous posts, people boasting about having had a great half hour, but how have they done over 20k hands? I'm winning plenty with my regular style, I'm up 10k in my last 20k hands, (not including the "smash" hands) playing 1/2 NL. I read this post and thought I'd try something new, and different, and I realize that it's not for me. There's plenty of holes with this system, it's mindless, it's not as much fun as my regular style, and I'm not making as much money. But like I said earlier, that's just me. There are plenty of posts from people who love it, so to them I say rock on and GL with it, have a great time, and I hope you clean up!

[Canary3 1]

great post, you have an open mind. I love you

[Zach6668 513]

zach are you saying that playing 20 tables of 10nl will yield a higher profit than 1-4 tables of 200 or 400 nl? what i totally agree with you on is that this works better for smaller limits than playing a sound strategy on just a few tables.

No, same levels.You definitely have a lower winrate in terms of bb/100 per table, but you will be able to play a million tables.

[pbwl11 0]

So.....Do you still push if you flop quads....?

[tgo007 0]

It was I who bumped this year old thread. Let me explain a bit. I am mostly a low limit player NL25, 50, 100, 200 and have been primarily been playing with a short stack 20-40bb and have had some success but nothing great. I made friends with a couple of Semi pro online players and they told me when they were starting out, they were building up their bankrolls with a nut peddling style strat similar to smash's strategy. They told me, that it was infact profitable but you won't make any real progress in your abilities (obviously). So I searched most poker forums for low limit "systems" that revolved around set mining and I stumbled about this thread which I found kind of interesting because I have never heard of such an extreme system. I honestly didn't realize this thread was a year old because I was looking at the month and day and it was almost exactly the same day/week. I didn't even notice the year.My experience with this strategy (not that many hands) is that it is very slightly profitable but what I'm surprised about is that almost no one mentioned any ideas about improving the strategy.I think open pushing AA/KK is stupid period. I think you should raise 4bb+1 bb for every limper in all positions. Reraise at least 3x if there someone who has already raised. Raising with TT+ from mid position and throwing out a c-bet of the pot if you have an overpair. Fold if reraised by someone with a significant amount of chips. Just put the guy all in if he's a short stack because he could be overplaying TPnk.I think when you limp in with a pocket pair and are lucky enough to get a set. Instead of moving all in. Just do pot size bets on every street. By the river you are almost essentially all in. (at least 70bb I believe).All these modifications disguises the smash strategy a ton.

[CrazyJoe 0]

It was I who bumped this year old thread. Let me explain a bit. I am mostly a low limit player NL25, 50, 100, 200 and have been primarily been playing with a short stack 20-40bb and have had some success but nothing great. I made friends with a couple of Semi pro online players and they told me when they were starting out, they were building up their bankrolls with a nut peddling style strat similar to smash's strategy. They told me, that it was infact profitable but you won't make any real progress in your abilities (obviously). So I searched most poker forums for low limit "systems" that revolved around set mining and I stumbled about this thread which I found kind of interesting because I have never heard of such an extreme system. I honestly didn't realize this thread was a year old because I was looking at the month and day and it was almost exactly the same day/week. I didn't even notice the year.My experience with this strategy (not that many hands) is that it is very slightly profitable but what I'm surprised about is that almost no one mentioned any ideas about improving the strategy.I think open pushing AA/KK is stupid period. I think you should raise 4bb+1 bb for every limper in all positions. Reraise at least 3x if there someone who has already raised. Raising with TT+ from mid position and throwing out a c-bet of the pot if you have an overpair. Fold if reraised by someone with a significant amount of chips. Just put the guy all in if he's a short stack because he could be overplaying TPnk.I think when you limp in with a pocket pair and are lucky enough to get a set. Instead of moving all in. Just do pot size bets on every street. By the river you are almost essentially all in. (at least 70bb I believe).All these modifications disguises the smash strategy a ton.

but then it's not the smash strategy.

[kkcountry 0]

who moved this to strat?oh and playing 16 tables of 25NL like this is almost not mindnumbingly boring.

[zammy123 0]

hi

[pbwl11 0]

Hey, this strat works great! I wasn't too sure I wanted to put a large sum of money at risk, so I 4 tabled .05/.10 NL on UB. Played nothing but pairs waiting to flop sets, and each time I hit, I pushed, and would you know I got called down by at least one player every time? Got a called a few choice names by some irate players about me buying pots instead of playing like a normal player. Got accused of playing 'idiotic donkey poker' by one guy (who actually called my all ins twice with his TPTK. lol)Bought in at each table for $5 ($20 total). Three hours later, once I was done checking my emails, reading Card Player and surfing, I was up over $60. Not a bed return on my investment. I may have to try this at a higher limit next time.Thanks Smash!

[Zach6668 513]

Be careful at UB. It won't work very high there. As a matter of fact, it doesn't work very high anywhere anymore.

[CodyHartman 0]

Random Bumpage for all of you that have never heard of this strat...Actually someone is using Smash's avatar and it reminded me of his strat, so I decided to play a little Nl using this strat this morning. I won 1.5 buyins @ the 10nl tables. YAYYYYYY ME!! gl all

[Orion071 0]

Random Bumpage for all of you that have never heard of this strat...Actually someone is using Smash's avatar and it reminded me of his strat, so I decided to play a little Nl using this strat this morning. I won 1.5 buyins @ the 10nl tables. YAYYYYYY ME!! :D gl all

Would this even work at $25 NL anymore? There are still a lot of dumb players, but they aren't THAT dumb. Or are they?

[Kuge 0]

omg wut?PokerStars Game #16893265876: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/04/21 - 14:46:56 (ET)Table 'Kiso IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: k030101 ($22.25 in chips) Seat 2: Mulle4400 ($10.60 in chips) Seat 3: Kuge ($21.30 in chips) Seat 4: bettgott ($34.45 in chips) Seat 5: xxxxyxxxx ($42.35 in chips) Seat 7: fansword ($29.20 in chips) Seat 8: lskt ($14.85 in chips) Kuge: posts small blind $0.10bettgott: posts big blind $0.25jr1984jr: sits out *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Kuge [Ks Kd]Bodhi2424 has returnedBodhi2424 leaves the tablexxxxyxxxx: folds fansword: raises $1 to $1.25lskt: folds k030101: folds Mulle4400: folds Kuge: raises $20.05 to $21.30 and is all-inbettgott: folds fansword: calls $20.05*** FLOP *** [3c 3d 4s]*** TURN *** [3c 3d 4s] [3s]*** RIVER *** [3c 3d 4s 3s] [9d]*** SHOW DOWN ***Kuge: shows [Ks Kd] (a full house, Threes full of Kings)fansword: mucks hand Kuge collected $40.75 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $42.85 | Rake $2.10 Board [3c 3d 4s 3s 9d]Seat 1: k030101 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Mulle4400 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Kuge (small blind) showed [Ks Kd] and won ($40.75) with a full house, Threes full of KingsSeat 4: bettgott (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: xxxxyxxxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: fansword mucked [Ts Tc]Seat 8: lskt folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[No_Neck 0]

lol