If You Have The Pot Odds Should You Always Go For It?

[WowThats 0]

You just don't understand all aspects of position in tournament play... You have to think beyond "pray and play".

[Actuary 3]

You just don't understand all aspects of position in tournament play... You have to think beyond "pray and play".

how many tournies have you played?the sad thing is you probably won't post for much longer; and we will miss the entertainment while you will miss the enlightenment :

[WowThats 0]

Don't worry about how I play Actuary worry more about how you play... you appear to be just another player who tosses in their chips just because without thinking through all the possible scenarios. There are times in every tournament when you should not get involved with AA or KK, try to think of those possibilities you will answer you're own questions, it may help you become a better player and maybe enlighten yourself or you can continue to entertain yourself. B)

[Actuary 3]

Don't worry about how I play Actuary worry more about how you play

I try to learn all the timeyou could have 100 other winning players disagreeing with you and you would not "learn"by the way, my account is very blessed.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Don't worry about how I play Actuary worry more about how you play... you appear to be just another player who tosses in their chips just because without thinking through all the possible scenarios. There are times in every tournament when you should not get involved with AA or KK, try to think of those possibilities you will answer you're own questions, it may help you become a better player and maybe enlighten yourself or you can continue to entertain yourself. B)

Are you for real?Honestly, do you seriously believe you're giving valid advice? YOu should use the opportunity to better yourself as a player.The only time to fold a big hand like that is on the bubble of a satelite where all the pirzes are the same.As a big stack, you should go on a tear, When i win tournaments its because i'm a killer knocking out player after player, Its very rare that you win a tournament and only knock out a couple players.

[WowThats 0]

It is difficult to express an opinion "the world is wrong they are right"! Gee Royal you got one possibility right... Bet you take the short bus to your Area 51 vacation home, a high percentage of the people here would not have even got one right they only want to say your wrong and they're right!Remember the category of this thread "tournament" cash games are different! I never said I would just fold AA or KK you have to understand every possibility outcome when playing in a tournament. A high percentage of people have tunnel vision they can not think beyond what is in front of their face.I relate poker to sports "lots of people think they understand everything there is to know about a sport, in reality they don't understand anything about the game they just play to have fun".

[copernicus 0]

It is difficult to express an opinion "the world is wrong they are right"! Gee Royal you got one possibility right... Bet you take the short bus to your Area 51 vacation home, a high percentage of the people here would not have even got one right they only want to say your wrong and they're right!Remember the category of this thread "tournament" cash games are different! I never said I would just fold AA or KK you have to understand every possibility outcome when playing in a tournament. A high percentage of people have tunnel vision they can not think beyond what is in front of their face.I relate poker to sports "lots of people think they understand everything there is to know about a sport, in reality they don't understand anything about the game they just play to have fun".

are you mattnxtc with a gimmick name? Hes the only other poster ive seen who is as consistently wrong as you are when you get specific, and mouth platitudes that have no value to sound like you can get something right.

[Actuary 3]

are you mattnxtc with a gimmick name?

I never noticed this about Matt.But I saw him in Limit more.Funny, though, I was actually thinking of Rocketwadster when I read Wow's latest. All the worst parts of Rocket, without the humility and actual poker knowledge, or hot avitar. But eh, otherwise!

[throwemaway 0]

It is difficult to express an opinion "the world is wrong they are right"! Gee Royal you got one possibility right... Bet you take the short bus to your Area 51 vacation home, a high percentage of the people here would not have even got one right they only want to say your wrong and they're right!Remember the category of this thread "tournament" cash games are different! I never said I would just fold AA or KK you have to understand every possibility outcome when playing in a tournament. A high percentage of people have tunnel vision they can not think beyond what is in front of their face.I relate poker to sports "lots of people think they understand everything there is to know about a sport, in reality they don't understand anything about the game they just play to have fun".

Please sir...enlighten us...Show me a good time to fold AA with a bunch of short stacks(besides in a satellite where all prizes are the same like Royal mentioned)

[Jam-Fly 8]

No. IMO, there is never a need to put your tournament on the line in the first 4 levels of a SNG, certainly not pre flop

[copernicus 0]

I never noticed this about Matt.But I saw him in Limit more.Funny, though, I was actually thinking of Rocketwadster when I read Wow's latest. All the worst parts of Rocket, without the humility and actual poker knowledge, or hot avitar. But eh, otherwise!

]my matt problems are in the Religion forum, nothing to do with poker, but since hes on ignore it will never turn into poker issues!

[Actuary 3]

No. IMO, there is never a need to put your tournament on the line in the first 4 levels of a SNG, certainly not pre flop

with any hand?**************************

]my matt problems are in the Religion forum, nothing to do with poker, but since hes on ignore it will never turn into poker issues!

wow.I have no one on ignore.Hard to imagine he could offend you that badly!don't ignore me.I'm a Christian too.I stay clear of the topic for the most part though

[copernicus 0]

with any hand?**************************wow.I have no one on ignore.Hard to imagine he could offend you that badly!don't ignore me.I'm a Christian too.I stay clear of the topic for the most part though

Its been a long time, but it certainly wasnt for his particular beliefs. Most likely for trying to bluff his way through a debate using faulty logic and steadfastly ignoring those who explained his logical fallacies.

[WowThats 0]

Last night while playing a 120 $225 live tournament there were five left at this point I am the chip leader. Within 3 hands (played none) I was third in chips with three remaining players. UTG I get QQ blinds are 4k/8k I raise to 20k, SB goes all in, BB calls the all in.I look at the BB my instinct is telling she is calling for pot odds with maybe one face card. SB my instinct says he has two face cards maybe AK, I think for a while then fold. SB asks why did you fold, BB says I surprised you folded...why?My response: I say to the BB I think you called for pure pot odds with one face card, I believe the SB has AK or two face cards I do believe I am in the lead at this point, the cash difference between 2nd and 3rd is fair amount I believe the SB will knock you out (now I do a Hullmuth to see if I can get into the SB head). That will leave me HU with him "I know I'm the better player" and the cash difference between 1st and 3rd is a lot of money. The SB did win the hand hitting runner, runner for a straight "I would have lost and come in third". HU I make several plays to get the chip count even when I get 10/6c in the BB the SB raises to 20k I call... flop 10 - 6 - J rainbow, I check SB bets 30% of their chips, I raise leaving the SB with 20k, SB goes all in, I call. runner , runner for a straight "I lose".It does not always work out to your favor, I did play it the way I wanted too.

[gobears 0]

Last night while playing a 120 $225 live tournament there were five left at this point I am the chip leader. Within 3 hands (played none) I was third in chips with three remaining players. UTG I get QQ blinds are 4k/8k I raise to 20k, SB goes all in, BB calls the all in.I look at the BB my instinct is telling she is calling for pot odds with maybe one face card. SB my instinct says he has two face cards maybe AK, I think for a while then fold. SB asks why did you fold, BB says I surprised you folded...why?My response: I say to the BB I think you called for pure pot odds with one face card, I believe the SB has AK or two face cards I do believe I am in the lead at this point, the cash difference between 2nd and 3rd is fair amount I believe the SB will knock you out (now I do a Hullmuth to see if I can get into the SB head). That will leave me HU with him "I know I'm the better player" and the cash difference between 1st and 3rd is a lot of money. The SB did win the hand hitting runner, runner for a straight "I would have lost and come in third". HU I make several plays to get the chip count even when I get 10/6c in the BB the SB raises to 20k I call... flop 10 - 6 - J rainbow, I check SB bets 30% of their chips, I raise leaving the SB with 20k, SB goes all in, I call. runner , runner for a straight "I lose".It does not always work out to your favor, I did play it the way I wanted too.

What were the stack sizes when you were down to 3?Also, what were the payouts for 1st, 2nd and 3rd?Now this post had some meat to it although it's hard for me to give an opinion without the stack sizes and payout structure.

[reedmcneal 0]

Last night while playing a 120 $225 live tournament there were five left at this point I am the chip leader. Within 3 hands (played none) I was third in chips with three remaining players. UTG I get QQ blinds are 4k/8k I raise to 20k, SB goes all in, BB calls the all in.I look at the BB my instinct is telling she is calling for pot odds with maybe one face card. SB my instinct says he has two face cards maybe AK, I think for a while then fold. SB asks why did you fold, BB says I surprised you folded...why?My response: I say to the BB I think you called for pure pot odds with one face card, I believe the SB has AK or two face cards I do believe I am in the lead at this point, the cash difference between 2nd and 3rd is fair amount I believe the SB will knock you out (now I do a Hullmuth to see if I can get into the SB head). That will leave me HU with him "I know I'm the better player" and the cash difference between 1st and 3rd is a lot of money. The SB did win the hand hitting runner, runner for a straight "I would have lost and come in third". HU I make several plays to get the chip count even when I get 10/6c in the BB the SB raises to 20k I call... flop 10 - 6 - J rainbow, I check SB bets 30% of their chips, I raise leaving the SB with 20k, SB goes all in, I call. runner , runner for a straight "I lose".It does not always work out to your favor, I did play it the way I wanted too.

Give some more information, (chipstacks, payout...) but I have a couple problems:1. Earlier you said you would fold AA or KK preflop. This hand you had QQ. Big difference2. You suggested folding these hands as the chip leader. You were short stack here. Big differenceShow me a situation where you throw away AA preflop as chipleader at the end of a tournament. I'm ready to be enlightened

[Actuary 3]

you threw QQ away 3 handed ?boy, 2nd better payout a ton more than 3rd.and stop all you live players with the "I put SB on two face cards and BB had 1 face (probably the Sucide King) calling for pot odds "you don't know ****except you suck and fold QQ 3 handed.

[WowThats 0]

ACTUARY: I'm not sure you understand any type of strategy within the game of poker (nor can you comprehend what you read - sorry to be rude read the post again)... or stop responding to the thread.

[reedmcneal 0]

ACTUARY: I'm not sure you understand any type of strategy within the game of poker (nor can you comprehend what you read - sorry to be rude read the post again)... or stop responding to the thread.

It may be about time to try out this ignore function.

[Actuary 3]

ACTUARY: I'm not sure you understand any type of strategy within the game of poker (nor can you comprehend what you read - sorry to be rude read the post again)... or stop responding to the thread.

Can you be more specific?I think you are bs'ing about your instinctI think folding QQ 3 handed is bad.If the Payout Structre was:$5000$4500$200then ok. You can fold QQ.I think I have a decnt understanding of the game; but I"m fairly new.Would you be more specific though?thank you.

[WowThats 0]

I went from chip leader to 3rd in chips within three hands (none played). IF I call and lose I take 3rd "I believe I am the better player on the table". I played for money position versus just throwing my chips in and pray I win.When I folded AA the top 30 seats got a WSOP seat 32 players remaining, I was 5th in chip count, three players were short stacked these players ended up matching up all in before my turn. There may be a two way tie or one player eliminates the other two. Why should I get involved? I could win, I could lose but why at this point should I put my chips at risk? EGO? How many opportunities will each of have to win a WSOP seat?.............................................................................................................. No one has to agree with "my decision" it worked for me, it may not work for you or anyone else it was "my decision, my choice" I hope you have a better understanding why I played it out this way.Sincerely,

[strategy 4]

Sincerely,

Your sig is one of the worst photoshop jobs I've seen in a while.And while I'm at the OT comments: actuary, your title should be "I should really consider changing my av back to teri hatcher because she's dreamy"

[Actuary 3]

Your sig is one of the worst photoshop jobs I've seen in a while.And while I'm at the OT comments: actuary, your title should be "I should really consider changing my av back to teri hatcher because she's dreamy"

and yours should be "I'm not sure who Actuary's former Avitar is But is kinda looks like Teri Hatcher"

[WowThats 0]

The photo is tribute to Bill Klinton's Birthday...

[Loismustdie 0]

I went from chip leader to 3rd in chips within three hands (none played). IF I call and lose I take 3rd "I believe I am the better player on the table". I played for money position versus just throwing my chips in and pray I win.When I folded AA the top 30 seats got a WSOP seat 32 players remaining, I was 5th in chip count, three players were short stacked these players ended up matching up all in before my turn. There may be a two way tie or one player eliminates the other two. Why should I get involved? I could win, I could lose but why at this point should I put my chips at risk? EGO? How many opportunities will each of have to win a WSOP seat?.............................................................................................................. No one has to agree with "my decision" it worked for me, it may not work for you or anyone else it was "my decision, my choice" I hope you have a better understanding why I played it out this way.Sincerely,

Why are you arguing? It's already been said that folding A-A in a Sattelite bubble situatuion would be just fine. I wouldn't do it if I was top 5 in chips, but whatever. As far as folding Q-Q 3 handed- I use to argue when I first started playing that it would be O.K. to try and make amazing see into the future folds. That was before I played thousands of hands on 6 sites and realized that was retarded. Most of the time, I would have been wrong. Most of the time- peek, peek- no monsters around the corner. Folding QQ 3 handed while occasionaly may have been the better play in hindsight, will not be so most of the time.