jmeisner 0 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 I WOULD RAISE, I HAVE A SET OF QUEENS, MIKE SEXTON SAYS THIS IS A BIG HAND AND I AM PLAYING POWER POKER!MY FAV PLAYER SAM GRIZZLE WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THIS MOVE, HE DOESNT TAKE **** FROM PHIL HELLMUTH AND WHAT IS OMAHA H/L? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 punch david benyamine in the face because he is french, then fold.LOL. NH.i guess we're all forgetting that we're on the button this hand. all of this action is likely to knock out some of the draws who will have to call one or more bets cold if we cap, and if players want to push their low hands (which might explain the 2 raises preflop) needing runner runner, let them pay us off.basically, we have to ask if anybody really has us beat RIGHT NOW. the only really likely hands are hands like AA32 and AAKK double suited, and they both have us crushed with a bigger set and maybe a redraw to a flush. also likely is maybe something like AK23 double suited, which we have beat right now.the key is this: my experience in omaha is that decent players raise preflop with both good low and high hands. so, isn't it most likely that two of the other aces are each in the hands of the two preflop raisers, and doesn't this mean that the chances of being up against a set of aces is reasonably low? if so, the next hand we have to worry about is someone holding KK, or JT which is the (very) mortal nuts on this board. remember also: we have a T, making the nut straight less likely and giving us a redraw to the nut straight.could we then cap the betting and get the players holding KKxx and JTxx out of the pot? it'd be an ideal scenario to play heads up against someone with something like AK23 even if they have a spade draw, since we'd curently be winning and have only to worry about the flush draw or a very unlikely A or K redraw to beat our set of queens. would someone without a redraw call one or more bets with the nut straight after this much action? i don't know, but that player would know there were many, many ways to lose the hand.lastly, if we think but aren't sure that we've gotten ourselves heads up against a set of aces and/or a straight, should we fold or plan to make crying calls on two more streets if we don't improve? i think an argument can be made for folding here, but maybe it's not nearly as easy as it looks on its face. maybe capping is the right play and if a flush comes all bets are off for our hand. DN?It's almost too big of a pot to ignore when we're holding a set. Cap it and look for the board to pair. I seriously think you're looking at a low, an AK, a flush and a JT. If we hit our boat and take a beating from AA or KK, so be it. Link to post Share on other sites
Canada 0 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Cap it and look for the board to pair. I seriously think you're looking at a low, an AK, ...Which particular card on the board would you like to pair then? Link to post Share on other sites
DrZebra 0 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Which particular card on the board would you like to pair then?Q Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Which particular card on the board would you like to pair then? Link to post Share on other sites
narcosleep 0 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 My decision to fold, call or cap would depend on how big the blinds were in comparison to my stack. As well my stack size at the table compared to the other stack sizes.If the blinds are relatively low and I have a substantial stack size over the other players and calling to see the turn wouldn't really hurt my stack size, I would call to see the turn.I would assume that the big blind has AA, or KK, or AK in his hand after I have seen the flop, as he re-raised the first bet pre-flop and bet straight out after the flop, the others just limped in wanting to see the flop.AA, or KK puts me right out of the hand except for hitting my 4th Q.The limpers in who are now re-raising, are on flush draws with a low possibility, or have caught their straights and are hoping to push others out. As I said, my decision would be based on my stack size, my reading of the other players, and the blind size.If i'm relatively even with the others, I'm gonna fold. Because of the after flopre-raising by everyone, I would assume that my other queen, and probably most of the K's and A's are gone.Since I have no flush draw, straight flush draw, or royal flush draw, as a back-up to my quest for a boat or 4 q's, there is no way I can call, based on my reading of the other hands, as well I should guarentee that it would cost me the full betting rounds for the turn and the river.I would only call this betting on the flop if my stack size was so substantial, the cost would be insignificant my stack.cheers,narcosleep Link to post Share on other sites
Canada 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 My decision to fold, call or cap would depend on how big the blinds were in comparison to my stack. As well my stack size at the table compared to the other stack sizes.If the blinds are relatively low and I have a substantial stack size over the other players and calling to see the turn wouldn't really hurt my stack size, I would call to see the turn.It's a limit cash game Link to post Share on other sites
DrZebra 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I would only call this betting on the flop if my stack size was so substantial, the cost would be insignificant my stack.Folks, this is why you play poker... Link to post Share on other sites
The Nuts 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Calling is way out of question. I'm not cold-calling that many bets. I'm either raising or folding and I don't consider my hand good enough for that. There are too many players in the pot to believe that my set could stand. It could possibly be the best hand now, but there's too much on the turn and river that could change that. If I was in a heads up, maybe even three way hand, I'd play it past the flop, but I'm not going to beat four or more players with a bottom set. Link to post Share on other sites
ajsuited_jak 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 You are playing Omaha H/L in the big game and are dealt Q-Q-10-9 doublesuited on the button. The first player in raises and gets three callers. You also call on the button. The big blind re-raises and all players call. The flop comes A K Q and you don't flop a front door or back door flush draw. The big blind bets out, the first limper raises, the second limper re-raises, and the player in the cut off seat re-raises. There is one bet left as you are playing with five bets per street. What would you do?No brainer fold there. Especially in Omaha 8 or better. Q is only out IMO. Queens suck anyway. :icon_cool:btw 4 players = 16 cards Someone definately has flush draw and will catch it on the river. I don't think the board will pair cause everyone has at least A and/or K not to mention there is already J 10 for the straight.Like I said: No brainer FOLD! Link to post Share on other sites
Steelfingers 0 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Hi there,You cant fold such a hands at this point.The pot is already too large.Prepare to die for it by raising/caping it.You cant assume or fear flush and straights on every corner.you have a Good hand (may be second best or third)large potMake a stand and represent the nuts while your still on the come.Your opponents fear tooCAP IT on cash gameThis might be THE pot of a night dont pass it and fera the worst only becauseyour opponents bet strongly.Who could be in this hand ?CAP it with the likes of Sammy Farha or Gus hansenOn tournament ...a fold if you're living large but a cap if you're low on chipsFolding here will be terrible imho.TOP/SSHE/HPFAP have many exemples related on river play.Even if we're still on the flop the pot is TOO large gentlemenI'am ready to go broke here. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Folding here will be terrible imho. Terrible eh? Do you know how to play omaha hi/lo at all? Link to post Share on other sites
tcraig 0 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 CAP IT unless your skeeered you sets no good lol,lol really lets gamble. Link to post Share on other sites
Spence 0 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Seems like an easy fold to me. Drawing to one out isn't a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites
IMDaBeav 0 Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 If I'm big stack I push the table around a bit and cap it, see what happens . . . I'm just kidding fold! Link to post Share on other sites
....Ian.... 0 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 some people call it a set, i call it a quad draw, NEVER FOLD a quad draw Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 did he ever post an answer to this? i couldnt find one in the search. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 did he ever post an answer to this? i couldnt find one in the search.Nope, we're all still waiting. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 And Waiting Link to post Share on other sites
Ramram84 0 Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Although fold is still a decent option here, I'm surprised that noone has tried to defend calling or raising as an option here.Everyone is looking at our hand and saying, oh, its beat. There are only 3 HANDS that can be beating us right now. AA, KK, J 10, of which, only AA and KK kill our draw. So what are the odds that someone holds one of these 3 hands?AA or KK don't seem too likely with exception of maybe the big blind who made it two bets to go. There was not alot of raising pre-flop which would indicate that those two hands probaby don't exist. Another indication is that there is alot of betting on the flop. I would suspect that alot of players have made a pair as well as a flush draw. J 10 is the real hand to be worried about. So how likely is it that someone played with J 10 considering that we know that 1 A, 1 K, 3 Q's, 1 10, and 1 9 are not in their hand. Thats alot of cards that are needed to make J 10 a worth while calling hand. So would it be too bold to say that maybe we are ahead at this point in the hand?I think that folding does not make any sense. My choice would be simply to call. By calling and not capping it, I leave room for the big blind to make a raise which would tell me whether or not he/she holds the dreaded AA or KK. If the big blind continues to play this hand, I would seriously consider getting out unless I catch my straight or 1 outer. For anybody out there who doesnt want to play because of the flush draw I have this to say. I suspect that alot of players are holding that draw, what are the odds that it is even going to come?My two senseI will admit that after first seeing the hand posted I immediately voted for fold, but after carefully looking at the hand, I have changed my mind. Link to post Share on other sites
Stylin_Fish 0 Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I don't play poker and never played OM H/L but it's an obvious fold. You're drawing dead. Link to post Share on other sites
canadapoker5 0 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Fold. Link to post Share on other sites
FC2000 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 I fold...bottom set against flush draws, only a J gives me a straight, no backdoor draws (hi or low)...I'm out. Link to post Share on other sites
joeythep 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Well...the question asks what "I" would do, so...I'm capping it. But that's because I suck at poker, and want to give all my money away. Wait a minute? How did I even SNIFF a seat at the big game? This is crazy, I quit. Link to post Share on other sites
Billy 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 I would call and try to keep the pot as small as possible on the later streets hoping to fill up. If someone has the bigger set then so be it but I'm not getting out just yet. Link to post Share on other sites
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